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Anti-nostalgia thread: what are y’all happy is gone and hope never returns? (hexbear.net)
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With UlyssesT out there touching grass, I haven’t seen this thread in a while. What in the past do you NOT miss? It could be very personal or just something everyone experienced but doesn’t anymore.

For me, I am so fucking happy the food scene in burgerland has changed since the 2000s. People seem to enjoy more well-seasoned foods and healthier options seem to outstrip the unhealthy slop I remember in the 2000s. Even my yee-yee ahh Ohio suburb has changed somewhat noticeably to support fresh ingredients. Less WASPslop is always good.

How about y’all?

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[–] 11 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The web's usability peaked in like 2005, where there was enough javascript to run gmail, but anything more complicated lived in a little flash player box, and I had click-to-activate enabled so ads and tracking scripts couldn't do anything.

I hope they keep adding things like the element until websites can do all the website things without javascript, and we somehow get back to a flash/applet style box for complex stuff (with a more reasonable security model, hell it's fine if javascript is what lives in the box).

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    I really wonder if people who hate on JS / Web Frameworks have made UI's in another language/toolkit. Everything but QT is awful compared to web.

    Also I just contend that people have never really worked with a well designed system because most shit out there is either dead simple, or quickly became a mess because the devs and managers were out of their element. I can sympathize. I'm currently bashing my head against the wall trying to get PMs to understand fairly difficult concepts. I had a meeting today where it was me, 2 UX designers, and 2 PMs on a call, and the PMs literally couldn't functionally understand from either perspective the reason the propsed processes were needed.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My problem isn't with javascript as a UI framework, it's what I use too. Everything else is five independent platforms each with 3+ half implemented ways to do things, all of which have been left to wither on the vine as all the tech companies give up and use the web instead. The DOM is the best application tool remaining.

    My problem is that javascript is both the tool to make basic enhancements to documents, like collapsible menus or form submissions, and the tool to create whole applications. The former needs it to run by default on every page, but the latter means that that it has the potential to harvest a zillion kinds of data, perform far more computation than is needed to display a webpage, and make cheap computers and poor connections unusable.

    And it doesn't matter that these problems are avoidable if companies get their shit together, because I'm not writing the code for every page I visit.

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