▲ 952 ▼ Rednote right now (lemmy.ml) submitted 2 years ago by Alsephina@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml 710 comments fedilink hide all child comments The conversations are amazing
[+] spencerwi@lemm.ee 61 points 2 years ago (165 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 165 child comments replies: [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 96 points 2 years ago (30 children) For real imagine living in a country where a faceless entity logs all of your financial activity without your consent and distills that information to summarize a person's character into a numerical score used to lock people out of securing housing or finding work, dystopian nightmare permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments load more comments (30 replies) [–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 66 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Edit: the removed comment said that the social credit score existed based on this Wikimedia article. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System In the Wikipedia article itself: There has been a widespread misconception that China operates a nationwide and unitary social credit "score" based on individuals' behavior, leading to punishments if the score is too low. Media reports in the West have sometimes exaggerated or inaccurately described this concept.[7][8][9] In 2019, the central government voiced dissatisfaction with pilot cities experimenting with social credit scores. It issued guidelines clarifying that citizens could not be punished for having low scores, and that punishments should only be limited to legally defined crimes and civil infractions. As a result, pilot cities either discontinued their point-based systems or restricted them to voluntary participation with no major consequences for having low scores.[7][10] According to a February 2022 report by the Mercator Institute for China Studies (MERICS), a social credit "score" is a myth as there is "no score that dictates citizen's place in society".[7] permalink fedilink source parent [–] WALLTHERICH@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago (24 children) no "Winnie the Pooh" refs "they won't let me call the chinese man yellow" good, die mad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments load more comments (24 replies) [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 years ago (11 children) It really is astounding how much every sinophobes source is inevitably just Wikipedia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which in turn its Adrian Zenz 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago Umm no it isn't sweaty, it clearly says the source is [organisation founded by Adrian zenz] and [organisation that funds Adrian zenz] permalink fedilink source parent [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 years ago More and more I see them just sending either a duckduckgo search, or the first few links from that search, which is of course always from anglo-supremacist news sources. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (8 replies) [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 39 points 2 years ago (43 children) To be clear, it is overwhelmingly Westerners that wish to depict a Chinese man as a yellow bear. You can talk about Pooh, just not in the way westerners tend to want to. As for the Social Credit system, the version reported in western media is false and exaggerated. There is a credit system, but it's largely for businesses and other social entities, not some Orwellian big brother system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 43 child comments load more comments (43 replies) [–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) When they reference Xi negatively they use Palpatine or some literary villain as a comparison. Using a yellow bear beloved by most of the world seems counter productive. Imagine if people compared Hitler to Charlie Chaplain due to likeness and not, say, Satan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (44 children) I have some sources on the child and slave labor, if that helps. https://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/genocide-of-the-uyghurs-in-western-china/china-tibet-and-the-uyghurs https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/01/china-carmakers-implicated-uyghur-forced-labor https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/nz0g306v8c/china-tainted-cotton This last one is ‘Western propaganda’ but is very helpful in identifying the types of products to avoid. It’s near impossible in the US, unless you make your own textiles/clothes or only buy second-hand. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods-print permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 44 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 years ago (41 children) Your first link is a few paragraphs with no sources whatsoever. The second one sources Human Rights Watch, who got bodied even on reddit the last time they tried to spread this line. They pretty much source only from Zenz (a far-right anti-semitic christian evangelical who thinks birth conrtrol is genocide). The third link has Zenz again as its main source. Its so exhausting to have to debunk the same recycled sources over and over, so here's a megathread: https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#whats-going-on-with-the-uyghurs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 41 child comments replies: [–] Dop@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (3 children) I appreciate a someone making the effort to debunk but your megathread is absolute garbage, I checked a couple links, got redirected toward twitter and quora threads, so ty but don't spread misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (37 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 96 points 2 years ago (30 children) For real imagine living in a country where a faceless entity logs all of your financial activity without your consent and distills that information to summarize a person's character into a numerical score used to lock people out of securing housing or finding work, dystopian nightmare permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments load more comments (30 replies)
[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 66 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Edit: the removed comment said that the social credit score existed based on this Wikimedia article. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System In the Wikipedia article itself: There has been a widespread misconception that China operates a nationwide and unitary social credit "score" based on individuals' behavior, leading to punishments if the score is too low. Media reports in the West have sometimes exaggerated or inaccurately described this concept.[7][8][9] In 2019, the central government voiced dissatisfaction with pilot cities experimenting with social credit scores. It issued guidelines clarifying that citizens could not be punished for having low scores, and that punishments should only be limited to legally defined crimes and civil infractions. As a result, pilot cities either discontinued their point-based systems or restricted them to voluntary participation with no major consequences for having low scores.[7][10] According to a February 2022 report by the Mercator Institute for China Studies (MERICS), a social credit "score" is a myth as there is "no score that dictates citizen's place in society".[7] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WALLTHERICH@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago (24 children) no "Winnie the Pooh" refs "they won't let me call the chinese man yellow" good, die mad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments load more comments (24 replies)
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 years ago (11 children) It really is astounding how much every sinophobes source is inevitably just Wikipedia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which in turn its Adrian Zenz 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago Umm no it isn't sweaty, it clearly says the source is [organisation founded by Adrian zenz] and [organisation that funds Adrian zenz] permalink fedilink source parent [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 years ago More and more I see them just sending either a duckduckgo search, or the first few links from that search, which is of course always from anglo-supremacist news sources. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (8 replies)
[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which in turn its Adrian Zenz 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago Umm no it isn't sweaty, it clearly says the source is [organisation founded by Adrian zenz] and [organisation that funds Adrian zenz] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago Umm no it isn't sweaty, it clearly says the source is [organisation founded by Adrian zenz] and [organisation that funds Adrian zenz] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 years ago More and more I see them just sending either a duckduckgo search, or the first few links from that search, which is of course always from anglo-supremacist news sources. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 39 points 2 years ago (43 children) To be clear, it is overwhelmingly Westerners that wish to depict a Chinese man as a yellow bear. You can talk about Pooh, just not in the way westerners tend to want to. As for the Social Credit system, the version reported in western media is false and exaggerated. There is a credit system, but it's largely for businesses and other social entities, not some Orwellian big brother system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 43 child comments load more comments (43 replies)
[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) When they reference Xi negatively they use Palpatine or some literary villain as a comparison. Using a yellow bear beloved by most of the world seems counter productive. Imagine if people compared Hitler to Charlie Chaplain due to likeness and not, say, Satan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (44 children) I have some sources on the child and slave labor, if that helps. https://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/genocide-of-the-uyghurs-in-western-china/china-tibet-and-the-uyghurs https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/01/china-carmakers-implicated-uyghur-forced-labor https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/nz0g306v8c/china-tainted-cotton This last one is ‘Western propaganda’ but is very helpful in identifying the types of products to avoid. It’s near impossible in the US, unless you make your own textiles/clothes or only buy second-hand. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods-print permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 44 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 years ago (41 children) Your first link is a few paragraphs with no sources whatsoever. The second one sources Human Rights Watch, who got bodied even on reddit the last time they tried to spread this line. They pretty much source only from Zenz (a far-right anti-semitic christian evangelical who thinks birth conrtrol is genocide). The third link has Zenz again as its main source. Its so exhausting to have to debunk the same recycled sources over and over, so here's a megathread: https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#whats-going-on-with-the-uyghurs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 41 child comments replies: [–] Dop@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (3 children) I appreciate a someone making the effort to debunk but your megathread is absolute garbage, I checked a couple links, got redirected toward twitter and quora threads, so ty but don't spread misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (37 replies) load more comments (2 replies)
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 years ago (41 children) Your first link is a few paragraphs with no sources whatsoever. The second one sources Human Rights Watch, who got bodied even on reddit the last time they tried to spread this line. They pretty much source only from Zenz (a far-right anti-semitic christian evangelical who thinks birth conrtrol is genocide). The third link has Zenz again as its main source. Its so exhausting to have to debunk the same recycled sources over and over, so here's a megathread: https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#whats-going-on-with-the-uyghurs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 41 child comments replies: [–] Dop@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (3 children) I appreciate a someone making the effort to debunk but your megathread is absolute garbage, I checked a couple links, got redirected toward twitter and quora threads, so ty but don't spread misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (37 replies)
[–] Dop@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (3 children) I appreciate a someone making the effort to debunk but your megathread is absolute garbage, I checked a couple links, got redirected toward twitter and quora threads, so ty but don't spread misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)