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[+] 61 points 2 years ago (165 children)
  • [–] 66 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Edit: the removed comment said that the social credit score existed based on this Wikimedia article.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

    In the Wikipedia article itself:

    There has been a widespread misconception that China operates a nationwide and unitary social credit "score" based on individuals' behavior, leading to punishments if the score is too low. Media reports in the West have sometimes exaggerated or inaccurately described this concept.[7][8][9] In 2019, the central government voiced dissatisfaction with pilot cities experimenting with social credit scores. It issued guidelines clarifying that citizens could not be punished for having low scores, and that punishments should only be limited to legally defined crimes and civil infractions. As a result, pilot cities either discontinued their point-based systems or restricted them to voluntary participation with no major consequences for having low scores.[7][10] According to a February 2022 report by the Mercator Institute for China Studies (MERICS), a social credit "score" is a myth as there is "no score that dictates citizen's place in society".[7]

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    It really is astounding how much every sinophobes source is inevitably just Wikipedia.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (43 children)

    To be clear, it is overwhelmingly Westerners that wish to depict a Chinese man as a yellow bear. You can talk about Pooh, just not in the way westerners tend to want to.

    As for the Social Credit system, the version reported in western media is false and exaggerated. There is a credit system, but it's largely for businesses and other social entities, not some Orwellian big brother system.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (44 children)

    I have some sources on the child and slave labor, if that helps.

    https://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/genocide-of-the-uyghurs-in-western-china/china-tibet-and-the-uyghurs

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/01/china-carmakers-implicated-uyghur-forced-labor

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/nz0g306v8c/china-tainted-cotton

    This last one is ‘Western propaganda’ but is very helpful in identifying the types of products to avoid. It’s near impossible in the US, unless you make your own textiles/clothes or only buy second-hand.

    https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods-print

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (41 children)

    Your first link is a few paragraphs with no sources whatsoever.

    The second one sources Human Rights Watch, who got bodied even on reddit the last time they tried to spread this line. They pretty much source only from Zenz (a far-right anti-semitic christian evangelical who thinks birth conrtrol is genocide).

    The third link has Zenz again as its main source.

    Its so exhausting to have to debunk the same recycled sources over and over, so here's a megathread:

    https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#whats-going-on-with-the-uyghurs

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