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to tack on another thought that was bouncing around while i was talking about "civility"
we may not be outwardly civil (in a way that western liberals define it), but we are respectful to our comrades and to those with a willingness to learn or improve. there is a difference, and as many younger generations and elder leftists likely believe, respect is earned and not freely given.
The main reason people thinks it's not a civil place is because of the ones who come in, shit in the house then complain people get mad at them.
Like no shit people aren't going to be civil when the start is hostile. Then they go and use it as justification for why hexbear.net must be contained.
A lot of it is this.
I also think that it's because a lot of the time these internet liberals looking for 'civilised debate' only understand it in the most penned-in, theory and evidence free, reddit way imaginable. They're deeply uncomfortable (and sometimes actually incapable) of engaging with arguement from outside that narrow frame.
I occassionally meet them on their internet debate style (mostly because other non-Hexbear users do sometimes read these threads when the OP goes back and complains on other instances) like in this recent thread example. And when you do and neutralise their main out by being actively civil at least one of three things usually happens, often in order:
The fact is that most of the people who barge into our little commie/anarchist bar here demanding "debate" only recognise it as the second-hand snide one-upmanship of American liberals talking about marginly different shades of US party politics downstream of pretty facile liberal US politics media like PodSaveAmerica/Majority Report/CenterCast etc (I made that last one up). Being confronted with actual robust critique from an actually alternative perspective, no matter how civil and Reddit-rules-like it is, is clearly profoundly uncomfortable for them, and they react badly before going back to the likes of Lemmy.World to complain, call us all crazy (or even more ablist assertions) or paid trolls, and feel like they're on familiar ground again.
god damn, thank you so much for actually explaining what I was trying to identify. elite analysis
tfw they complain that we both organise downvote brigades (when we can't downvote) and simultaneously dogpile comments (because we post our opinions because we can't downvote)
how dare they flood me with comments as I try to debate bro in bad faith!
90% of their complaints. Same for those complaining about ml in the db0 power tripping bastards comm
hexbears to a wandering lib containment breach:
What part of "No investigation, no right to speak" do you not understand
