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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) Good to know... Is this only related to software hacking? Or is the warning sticker on hardware also bullshit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (2 children) The warning sticker on hardware is also bullshit. The TL;DR of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is that if the manufacturer wants to deny your warranty claim, the burden is on them to prove that the owner's "unreasonable use" (abuse), neglect of required maintenance, or modification of the product was the actual cause of the failure. For example, a car manufacturer can't use the fact that you tinted the windows as an excuse to deny your claim for an engine failure, but they could deny it for your failure to perform oil changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unfortunately the TOS you agreed to says a ridiculous "arbitration" will determine who's right that you abused the equipment - and guess who the arbitrator will decide for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Add it to the pile of reasons why, for products (as opposed to services), things like EULAs and ToS are unenforceable bunk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] keepthepace@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago In EU at least permalink fedilink source parent [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I've heard that from a lot of people, but never seen it in action. Someone who sues or somehow gets what they want in spite of arbitration, I'd like to see that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) So in other words: the rule applies to you unless you can afford to pay a bunch of lawyers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not in the case of a googlephone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bill@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hardware sticker is bs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In all of the US? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kipo@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yes. Edit: Side note for consumers: Some US states have something called "implied warranty" laws that extend the warranty period of almost ANY product you buy -- even online -- usually for up to 4 years, and some states also extend it to used products as well. https://www.upcounsel.com/warranty-laws-by-state permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (2 children) The warning sticker on hardware is also bullshit. The TL;DR of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is that if the manufacturer wants to deny your warranty claim, the burden is on them to prove that the owner's "unreasonable use" (abuse), neglect of required maintenance, or modification of the product was the actual cause of the failure. For example, a car manufacturer can't use the fact that you tinted the windows as an excuse to deny your claim for an engine failure, but they could deny it for your failure to perform oil changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unfortunately the TOS you agreed to says a ridiculous "arbitration" will determine who's right that you abused the equipment - and guess who the arbitrator will decide for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Add it to the pile of reasons why, for products (as opposed to services), things like EULAs and ToS are unenforceable bunk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] keepthepace@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago In EU at least permalink fedilink source parent [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I've heard that from a lot of people, but never seen it in action. Someone who sues or somehow gets what they want in spite of arbitration, I'd like to see that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) So in other words: the rule applies to you unless you can afford to pay a bunch of lawyers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not in the case of a googlephone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unfortunately the TOS you agreed to says a ridiculous "arbitration" will determine who's right that you abused the equipment - and guess who the arbitrator will decide for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Add it to the pile of reasons why, for products (as opposed to services), things like EULAs and ToS are unenforceable bunk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] keepthepace@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago In EU at least permalink fedilink source parent [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I've heard that from a lot of people, but never seen it in action. Someone who sues or somehow gets what they want in spite of arbitration, I'd like to see that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Add it to the pile of reasons why, for products (as opposed to services), things like EULAs and ToS are unenforceable bunk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] keepthepace@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago In EU at least permalink fedilink source parent [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I've heard that from a lot of people, but never seen it in action. Someone who sues or somehow gets what they want in spite of arbitration, I'd like to see that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I've heard that from a lot of people, but never seen it in action. Someone who sues or somehow gets what they want in spite of arbitration, I'd like to see that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) So in other words: the rule applies to you unless you can afford to pay a bunch of lawyers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not in the case of a googlephone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not in the case of a googlephone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bill@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hardware sticker is bs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In all of the US? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kipo@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yes. Edit: Side note for consumers: Some US states have something called "implied warranty" laws that extend the warranty period of almost ANY product you buy -- even online -- usually for up to 4 years, and some states also extend it to used products as well. https://www.upcounsel.com/warranty-laws-by-state permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In all of the US? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kipo@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yes. Edit: Side note for consumers: Some US states have something called "implied warranty" laws that extend the warranty period of almost ANY product you buy -- even online -- usually for up to 4 years, and some states also extend it to used products as well. https://www.upcounsel.com/warranty-laws-by-state permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kipo@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yes. Edit: Side note for consumers: Some US states have something called "implied warranty" laws that extend the warranty period of almost ANY product you buy -- even online -- usually for up to 4 years, and some states also extend it to used products as well. https://www.upcounsel.com/warranty-laws-by-state permalink fedilink source parent