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My brother, who's a social democrat, claims that social democracy is not capitalism (lemmygrad.ml)
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This dude has a political science major... I tried telling him that in social democracy the workers don't own the means of production so it's still capitalism, but he doesn't listen. I remember went he stopped supporting my country's (Netherlands) neoliberal party (D66) and started supporting PvdA, our socialdemocratic party. I was hopeful that he was slowly turning to the left, but nothing's changed. What are some arguments against socialdemocracy that a social democrat might listen to?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You give Lula too much credit. He's cutting funding for stuff just the same right now, just doesn't have absolute shit foreign policy.

Also, Lula literally invaded Haiti on behalf of the UN in 2004, with forces only leaving in 2017.

As an example, Lula is currently launching initiatives for Public-Private Partnerships, which include fucking prisons. Would also like to note he signed the drug law that shot incarceration sky high in 2006 and remains to this day. Among plans for these prisons is "industrial prisons" aka prisoner slave labour

https://www.jornalbomdia.com.br/noticia/63750/sindppen-rs-volta-a-barrar-na-justica-ppp-para-novo-presidio-em-erechim

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, my point was about the foreign policy, not domestic. And as you said, the government under Lula did participate in the invasion of Haiti, but it's still a far cry from what the socdem countries in Europe have done and continue to do

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think this might support the point that socdems are capitalists even more though. They just say they'll do things for the people then just don't when they're in power.