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Luigi Mangione’s sweater sells out at Nordstrom one day after court appearance (www.independent.co.uk)
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[–] 155 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Jesus christ guys, does it get more vapid than consumerism as revolt?

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  • [–] 64 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    People are conditioned to their environment. It's like the far right assholes who hate the system but don't understand that the real enemy is the rich and instead think we need to attack government. Yes, that's bad too, but class warfare is the real answer while they suck off Musk for his "epic posts."

    I'm relieved that some amount of awareness is blooming. We can hope that it continues to develop.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The rich programmed you to accuse the far right like that.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    No, the rich programmed their masses to blame everything on whatever left-wing party leader is in charge. That's what Fox News and the rest of the Murdoch empire is for.

    They need their 8 hours of hate to blame Emmanuel Goldstein for all of the world's problems.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    No, I watch police bodycam videos on YT. They're largely from states like Minnesota, Florida, etc. Largely rural. Largely small towns.

    A Trump-supporting domestic abuser in one of them yesterday was who I had in mind when I commented. They have inaccurate world views, hence why they cling to their dogma. This is due to their news media distorting reality.

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  • [+] -14 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    You’re not going to fight for class warfare if you enable a ruling class to exist above us as “government”.

    Rejection of the state is the first step to liberation, once the rich no longer have the system that perpetuates their wealth acquisition and physically defends them, they won’t last long.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Getting rid of any concept of a state is what allows corporations to fill the gap. It's corporate feudalism. The only thing that can push back against a collective entity is another collective entity.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    No, it allows people to fill in the gap.

    No one wants authoritarians telling us how to live our lives. People are the priority, not consolidating power into the hands of a few individual rulers.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You ask for anarchy without realizing that anarchy is what the rich fucks like elon really dream of. A world without governments where their exclusion from any obligations to society and legal responsibility can be institutionalized.

    And then we have true, official neofeudalism.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Muskrat is at best an anarchocapitalist, which isn’t real anarchism because it doesn’t reject hierarchy.

    Really, he’s a what’s best for me fuck everyone else ideology but with white supremacist flavoring. Pick your label for it, but anarchist is not it.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Anarchy is communism and he is arguing like a communist

    You are right about why it doesn’t work, someone will just fill the gap

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    Anarchy is not communism.

    Anarchy is a system that doesn’t have an overarching hierarchical governmental system. Anarchy is bottom-up rather than top-down social management.

    Communism can spring from anarchy, but is not a necessary component nor a necessary outcome.

    Libertarians are anarchists, but on the right. Suggest communism to a libertarian and see where it gets you.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    This does not end up how you think it does. Not allowing for unchecked corporate power doesn't mean consolidation of government power into the hands of a few.

    Our system is broken because we allow corporations to go around the people and buy influence directly from politicians. Not all systems have to do that.

    But Removing the people that corporations are currently buying influence from doesn't mean they do being bad. It just means they have even fewer obstacles to doing what they want than they do now.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Rejection of the state is the first step to liberation, once the rich no longer have the system that perpetuates their wealth acquisition and physically defends them, they won’t last long.

    Fuck yeah a fellow anarchist 👊🏻

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's actually interesting.

    If anything that Luigi touches basically becomes gold it's going to lead to some very interesting behavior from people who want to capitalize on it, but if they do it'll betray the narrative that's being pushed. Which company is gonna be shamelessly greedy enough to break the line?

    And if they do how will the government and other companies react? At the very least there's conflicting interests happening. I'm very curious about how it'll play out.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You hear of rainbow capitalism? Meet Luigi capitalism in a couple months/years.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I get the feeling this one could play out differently.

    If you look at the news outlets you'll notice something. Depending on who their target demographic is depends on what kind of boogeyman he gets painted as.

    for example democrat catering articles saying his white male privilege is why everyone loves him(it's not) and trying to turn feminists on him by using those buzzwords.

    Fox news is trying to paint him as a sad, whiney snowflake who was mad about back pain and getting kicked off his parents insurance at 26.

    Some random ones who's target demographic i couldn't indentify calling people who support him "sick fans." It's clear they ALL want us to hate him, and anyone who supports him is insert artifically created culture war problem here

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Do you think they’re succeeding? The overall negative impression I get is the “we get it but murder is wrong” opinion. I haven’t heard any culture war bullshit in either direction about it but tbf im not on social media.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I don't hate him, but I can see his privilege. Of course some self-entitled white rich guy is going to flip out and kill somebody when life fucks him over. That's the least surprising thing about this.

    People are really missing the forest for the trees here. This isn't about him. It's about the health insurance industry and the people's rage towards it. That's so much larger and more important than a single man's act of violence.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I agree with what you're saying regarding consumerism, BUT...

    I think it's way more important that people are showing support for Luigi. The elites can see this shit. If this is all we've got, I'll definitely take it. Just something to think about.

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