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Two 26-Year-Olds: One Killed a Homeless Man, Another is Suspected of Killing a Healthcare CEO (zeteo.com)
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[–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

Unfair, there is still actual debate amongst historians and scholars about when the Roman empire ended, and if ever, it fell.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Among which historians specifically? I'm unaware of any serious debate here other than propagandists using the name second Rome, third Rome, ceaser etc. sorry buddy Roman empire collapsed when the franks, Visigoths, ostrogoths and Huns toppled the west. Wanna know why it ended then? Byzantine had split long before into a separate entity to distance itself from Rome and when it collapsed it chugged along with it's greek orthodox ideals

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    That's ignorant of modern scholarship. Here are some serious historians you might want to look into:

    • Peter Heather
    • Anthony Kaldellis
    • Averil Cameron
    • Timothy Gregory
    • John Haldon

    There are others, of course.

    And no. By the time the Western half collapsed, the East had not drifted apart. That started happening 2-3 centuries later, definitely after Justinian. And it was not even completed as a process until after the 4th crusade at least.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Honestly you are right as someone who started his love for history with the Romans, I didn't know this was a debate, so I did some research and to me personally the end of the Roman empire was 476ad with the last western Roman empire abdicating. Or perhaps the fall of Constantinople

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