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[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml [S] 11 points 3 years ago*

It might be helpful to mention that when we say "liberals" here, we mean liberal as in "liberal democracy," not the weird US definition where Trump raging at liberals isn't a self-own.

(Speaking of the US, I can't help but agree that without a real left presence since the government crushes any movement like the Black Panthers, the country is going to steer hard right at some point.)

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[–] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

Both are actively driving us further towards WW3, climate catastrophe, genocide, and absurd inflation. Biden has been a bigger enemy to working people than Trump has been in several ways, and of course Trump worse than Biden in other ways too. They both represent different factions of the ruling class who may have disagreements with each other, but are unified in oppressing the global proletariat. To pretend like Biden is a serious safeguard to rising American fascism ignores the ways Biden and Democrats have not only actively encouraged and partnered with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party but also engage in fascist politics of their own. Biden's function is not to stop Trump. His function is to stop revolution. They are twin heads of a single snake.

Working Americans are hopeless unless they can dispel with the fiction that the Democrats ever gave a shit about them.

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[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

See this is what I mean. I agree with every single thing you said, yet you act like we're different people. It's annoying and I'm fucking tired of it. Y'all sound like MAGAts with your "liberal" and "democrat" bullshit. Come up with a new insult. You're only driving away people that you depend on for this movement to gain some traction.

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[–] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 years ago*

We are different people. You think we need to vote for Biden to save the world from Trump as if it's going to make a significant difference in our trajectory. You've admitted that you are invested in this electoral farce while also admitting that both Biden and Trump are our enemies. You've admitted that you agree Biden is pushing us further towards a global catastrophe yet you've stressed the importance of voting for him? That's a confused position and you need to interrogate that further.

I understand viewing voting as another battleground that we can't abandon, and if that's your opinion I agree with you there. But that does not indicate that we corrale and gaslight working people who are actively being harmed by one fascist to vote for the other fascist. In addition, the majority of participants here think it's delusional to dedicate the majority of our efforts towards electoralism. It's also masochistic to be emotionally invested in this charade of voting for people who actively and enthusiastically betray us.

I'm really not trying to be rude here, so I'm sorry for the bluntness of my text. If you consider yourself a socialist and not a liberal, well, that's perplexing to me because you seem invested in liberalism. If you are a liberal, then why are you here on a communist forum trying to argue with us? If you're curious about communist thought then you could choose to learn and observe. If you wanna engage in discussion or even a debate, then at least attempt to engage in good faith (you're the one here calling us names). Even if you don't agree with us, you'll hopefully better understand where we're coming from.