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[–] denaggels@feddit.org 14 points 2 years ago (32 children) Do we have a solution for nuclear waste yet? permalink fedilink source hideshow 32 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 years ago (9 children) Reprocess it, salvage useful isotopes for known uses, keep a few others for research purposes, don't put it too far away because most of it could be useful in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] denaggels@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) Afaik that is not an economically viable option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) France literally does that. They reprocess 96% all of their used fuel back into usable fuel and useful materials. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago The number is false. You make a confusion between what could be recycled and what is actually recycled. And MOX is not a good option (expensive, 1 cycle, toxicity). permalink fedilink source parent [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which part? France is basically doing this already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Economically it's not interesting It's one cycle only Waste in output is even worst and more toxic permalink fedilink source parent [–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ah yes, economically viable like destroying the planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) If destroying the planet weren't economically viable, no one would do it. This has been your daily depressing fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago My point exactly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 9 points 2 years ago clutches pearls won't someone think of the stock market? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Elwynn@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago Permanent underground storage where it will naturally decay. Are a couple of different methods available from what I understand. And the amount of material that actually needs to be stored is a fraction of what is instead released into the air, water & soil from fossil based fuel. Not to mention toxins like mercury etc. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) We put it back in the ground where we found it in the first place. I don't see how people are A-OK with uranium and other naturally occurring nuclear isotopes beneath their feet, but used fuel rods from a nuclear power plant? No fucking way! Your house is full of radon Joe, the nuclear waste in a sealed casket, buried in the side of a mountain nowhere near you isn't what is going to give you cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I was gonna make a joke about using it for plutonium production, but I'm pretty sure that still requires neutrons from fresh U235 to hit U238 to make U239 which decays into Pu239 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Johanno@feddit.org 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eat it! So many calories. You will never have to eat again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago You could feed every single person on earth for life and solve hunger permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) We have many. Most aren't in effect yet though, but it also isn't a serious issue. They're stored safely in cement caskets, with molten glass and stuff to keep it together and safe, with effectively zero chance to cause an issue. There are permanent ways to store it safely, but we haven't invested in them yet for many reason. Mostly, dirty energy companies pushing the anti-nuclear message have purposefully hamstrung nuclear from becoming a great solution, and people who think they're being smart believe them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cloud_herder@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago That and they have ways to reuse “spent” nuclear fuel in newer reactors that can use fuel that older reactors have finished using. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago Is nuclear waste more radioactive than the uranium we started with? permalink fedilink source parent [+] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Absolutely incorrect. Neutron activation will produce more waste in volume than fission, but without the long lived fission products that are really nasty. We don't really have a plan yet on HOW we're going to circulate lithium and recapture tritium and what the waste from that will look like, but we do know it will create a significant amount of waste. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Thank you. While in the context of fission both the risk and the amount of waste seem to be much lower and waste can probably be managed by fission related protocols, my comment was too grossly wrong, so I just deleted it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Do we have a solution for atmospheric CO2 release yet? permalink fedilink source parent [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Just put it back in the ground where it came from. Why is this a concern? It was radioactive rocks when we took it out, and it's radioactive rocks when we put it back in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (6 children) Do we have a problem with nuclear waste yet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] denaggels@feddit.org 10 points 2 years ago (5 children) Yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Define problem, because it's less waste than old solar panels per megawatt. Both of which we just throw away in special places designed specifically for that waste. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Define "less". By volume? Mass? Ecological impact? If you want to say "per megawatt" then you obviously have numbers, let's see them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ghen@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago* Uh, that wasn't me, please pay attention. Either way, you made a claim - a quantitative claim no less - it's on you to back it up. Don't pretend that someone else's behaviour excuses yours. Nuclear waste is uncontroversially a serious problem. If you want to convince anybody of anything else you need to be willing to communicate, and this isn't it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago In EU you recycling is included in the price. It is mandatory and must be done in EU. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkCanatella@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) we give each yimby a few gallons to put in their closet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Have you seen spent fuel storage solutions? I'll happily hold onto a cask. It wouldn't be any more radioactive than the smoke coming from the coal plant down the street. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 years ago (9 children) Reprocess it, salvage useful isotopes for known uses, keep a few others for research purposes, don't put it too far away because most of it could be useful in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] denaggels@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) Afaik that is not an economically viable option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) France literally does that. They reprocess 96% all of their used fuel back into usable fuel and useful materials. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago The number is false. You make a confusion between what could be recycled and what is actually recycled. And MOX is not a good option (expensive, 1 cycle, toxicity). permalink fedilink source parent [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which part? France is basically doing this already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Economically it's not interesting It's one cycle only Waste in output is even worst and more toxic permalink fedilink source parent [–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ah yes, economically viable like destroying the planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) If destroying the planet weren't economically viable, no one would do it. This has been your daily depressing fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago My point exactly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 9 points 2 years ago clutches pearls won't someone think of the stock market? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] denaggels@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) Afaik that is not an economically viable option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) France literally does that. They reprocess 96% all of their used fuel back into usable fuel and useful materials. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago The number is false. You make a confusion between what could be recycled and what is actually recycled. And MOX is not a good option (expensive, 1 cycle, toxicity). permalink fedilink source parent [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which part? France is basically doing this already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Economically it's not interesting It's one cycle only Waste in output is even worst and more toxic permalink fedilink source parent [–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ah yes, economically viable like destroying the planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) If destroying the planet weren't economically viable, no one would do it. This has been your daily depressing fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago My point exactly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 9 points 2 years ago clutches pearls won't someone think of the stock market? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) France literally does that. They reprocess 96% all of their used fuel back into usable fuel and useful materials. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago The number is false. You make a confusion between what could be recycled and what is actually recycled. And MOX is not a good option (expensive, 1 cycle, toxicity). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago The number is false. You make a confusion between what could be recycled and what is actually recycled. And MOX is not a good option (expensive, 1 cycle, toxicity). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which part? France is basically doing this already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Economically it's not interesting It's one cycle only Waste in output is even worst and more toxic permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Economically it's not interesting It's one cycle only Waste in output is even worst and more toxic permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ah yes, economically viable like destroying the planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) If destroying the planet weren't economically viable, no one would do it. This has been your daily depressing fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago My point exactly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) If destroying the planet weren't economically viable, no one would do it. This has been your daily depressing fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago My point exactly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 9 points 2 years ago clutches pearls won't someone think of the stock market? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Elwynn@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago Permanent underground storage where it will naturally decay. Are a couple of different methods available from what I understand. And the amount of material that actually needs to be stored is a fraction of what is instead released into the air, water & soil from fossil based fuel. Not to mention toxins like mercury etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) We put it back in the ground where we found it in the first place. I don't see how people are A-OK with uranium and other naturally occurring nuclear isotopes beneath their feet, but used fuel rods from a nuclear power plant? No fucking way! Your house is full of radon Joe, the nuclear waste in a sealed casket, buried in the side of a mountain nowhere near you isn't what is going to give you cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I was gonna make a joke about using it for plutonium production, but I'm pretty sure that still requires neutrons from fresh U235 to hit U238 to make U239 which decays into Pu239 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I was gonna make a joke about using it for plutonium production, but I'm pretty sure that still requires neutrons from fresh U235 to hit U238 to make U239 which decays into Pu239 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Johanno@feddit.org 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eat it! So many calories. You will never have to eat again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago You could feed every single person on earth for life and solve hunger permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago You could feed every single person on earth for life and solve hunger permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) We have many. Most aren't in effect yet though, but it also isn't a serious issue. They're stored safely in cement caskets, with molten glass and stuff to keep it together and safe, with effectively zero chance to cause an issue. There are permanent ways to store it safely, but we haven't invested in them yet for many reason. Mostly, dirty energy companies pushing the anti-nuclear message have purposefully hamstrung nuclear from becoming a great solution, and people who think they're being smart believe them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cloud_herder@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago That and they have ways to reuse “spent” nuclear fuel in newer reactors that can use fuel that older reactors have finished using. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cloud_herder@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago That and they have ways to reuse “spent” nuclear fuel in newer reactors that can use fuel that older reactors have finished using. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago Is nuclear waste more radioactive than the uranium we started with? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Absolutely incorrect. Neutron activation will produce more waste in volume than fission, but without the long lived fission products that are really nasty. We don't really have a plan yet on HOW we're going to circulate lithium and recapture tritium and what the waste from that will look like, but we do know it will create a significant amount of waste. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Thank you. While in the context of fission both the risk and the amount of waste seem to be much lower and waste can probably be managed by fission related protocols, my comment was too grossly wrong, so I just deleted it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Absolutely incorrect. Neutron activation will produce more waste in volume than fission, but without the long lived fission products that are really nasty. We don't really have a plan yet on HOW we're going to circulate lithium and recapture tritium and what the waste from that will look like, but we do know it will create a significant amount of waste. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Thank you. While in the context of fission both the risk and the amount of waste seem to be much lower and waste can probably be managed by fission related protocols, my comment was too grossly wrong, so I just deleted it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Thank you. While in the context of fission both the risk and the amount of waste seem to be much lower and waste can probably be managed by fission related protocols, my comment was too grossly wrong, so I just deleted it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Do we have a solution for atmospheric CO2 release yet? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Just put it back in the ground where it came from. Why is this a concern? It was radioactive rocks when we took it out, and it's radioactive rocks when we put it back in. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (6 children) Do we have a problem with nuclear waste yet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] denaggels@feddit.org 10 points 2 years ago (5 children) Yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Define problem, because it's less waste than old solar panels per megawatt. Both of which we just throw away in special places designed specifically for that waste. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Define "less". By volume? Mass? Ecological impact? If you want to say "per megawatt" then you obviously have numbers, let's see them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ghen@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago* Uh, that wasn't me, please pay attention. Either way, you made a claim - a quantitative claim no less - it's on you to back it up. Don't pretend that someone else's behaviour excuses yours. Nuclear waste is uncontroversially a serious problem. If you want to convince anybody of anything else you need to be willing to communicate, and this isn't it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago In EU you recycling is included in the price. It is mandatory and must be done in EU. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] denaggels@feddit.org 10 points 2 years ago (5 children) Yes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Define problem, because it's less waste than old solar panels per megawatt. Both of which we just throw away in special places designed specifically for that waste. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Define "less". By volume? Mass? Ecological impact? If you want to say "per megawatt" then you obviously have numbers, let's see them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ghen@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago* Uh, that wasn't me, please pay attention. Either way, you made a claim - a quantitative claim no less - it's on you to back it up. Don't pretend that someone else's behaviour excuses yours. Nuclear waste is uncontroversially a serious problem. If you want to convince anybody of anything else you need to be willing to communicate, and this isn't it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago In EU you recycling is included in the price. It is mandatory and must be done in EU. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Define problem, because it's less waste than old solar panels per megawatt. Both of which we just throw away in special places designed specifically for that waste. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Define "less". By volume? Mass? Ecological impact? If you want to say "per megawatt" then you obviously have numbers, let's see them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ghen@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago* Uh, that wasn't me, please pay attention. Either way, you made a claim - a quantitative claim no less - it's on you to back it up. Don't pretend that someone else's behaviour excuses yours. Nuclear waste is uncontroversially a serious problem. If you want to convince anybody of anything else you need to be willing to communicate, and this isn't it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago In EU you recycling is included in the price. It is mandatory and must be done in EU. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Define "less". By volume? Mass? Ecological impact? If you want to say "per megawatt" then you obviously have numbers, let's see them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ghen@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago* Uh, that wasn't me, please pay attention. Either way, you made a claim - a quantitative claim no less - it's on you to back it up. Don't pretend that someone else's behaviour excuses yours. Nuclear waste is uncontroversially a serious problem. If you want to convince anybody of anything else you need to be willing to communicate, and this isn't it. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ghen@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago* Uh, that wasn't me, please pay attention. Either way, you made a claim - a quantitative claim no less - it's on you to back it up. Don't pretend that someone else's behaviour excuses yours. Nuclear waste is uncontroversially a serious problem. If you want to convince anybody of anything else you need to be willing to communicate, and this isn't it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago* Uh, that wasn't me, please pay attention. Either way, you made a claim - a quantitative claim no less - it's on you to back it up. Don't pretend that someone else's behaviour excuses yours. Nuclear waste is uncontroversially a serious problem. If you want to convince anybody of anything else you need to be willing to communicate, and this isn't it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago In EU you recycling is included in the price. It is mandatory and must be done in EU. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkCanatella@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) we give each yimby a few gallons to put in their closet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Have you seen spent fuel storage solutions? I'll happily hold onto a cask. It wouldn't be any more radioactive than the smoke coming from the coal plant down the street. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Have you seen spent fuel storage solutions? I'll happily hold onto a cask. It wouldn't be any more radioactive than the smoke coming from the coal plant down the street. permalink fedilink source parent