▲ 2201 ▼ Americans: Never, EVER question again how Hitler came to power in 1933 Germany (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by Treczoks@lemmy.world to c/leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world 1027 comments fedilink hide all child comments Because you now did it to yourself.
[+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (18 children) We gave Democrats enough seats. They used them predictably. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (16 children) You're ignoring that 2 independents caucus with Democrats. It's dishonest to exclude them. But you're splitting hairs because it's convenient for your excuses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (11 children) Two independents from conservative states that barely align with democrats. Why do you handwave this away so easily??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (10 children) One of the independents is Bernie Sanders. Manchin and Sinema were both capital-D Democrats at the time they did everything you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (9 children) They did NOT do everything. It fact we barely got them to do much. All this information is publicly available. Their voting records are available to see. None of this is hidden. They are the primary reason most of the bills that DID pass were almost completely neutered because they were negotiated down or stalled. This also happened only a few years ago. We are not talking about last decade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (8 children) They did NOT do everything. God damn, you're bad at reading. First you act like Manchin and Sinema were independents when they were blocking shit for you, and now you're ignoring parts of my sentence to make it contrary to what I said. Manchin and Sinema did everything that YOU WANTED THEM TO DO. They blocked legislation. That's all you wanted. There is no point in arguing with you since you selectively pretend to be unable to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (7 children) I'm not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. I'm for progressive policies but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) I’m not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. Right. We voted for Democrats. We gave Democrats the seats they needed. They didn't vote in the lockstep Democrats demand from their voters. I’m for progressive policies But you make excuses for the party that always finds the no votes to kill them. but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? Held hostage. Sure. Oh no. Just enough Democrats voted against legislation that party leadership didn't want. There are always enough Manchins. Now selectively forget how to read again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) I don't know what your argument is any more. Sinema and Manchin were always moderates. Democrats can't perform miracles if they don't have enough votes. Do you have any suggestions how they could have done it with just a slim majority held back by two moderates? What's your plan? I'm listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) I’m listening. This entire conversation has shown that this is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point? I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever. I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) THEY DID. Unlike Manchin and Sinema, independents caucused with the party. The Democratic caucus had 50 seats. We gave them the seats. They used them like you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And we gave Democrats those seats. Lying and saying that we only gave Democrats 48 just because 2 of them did everything you wanted doesn't mean that we didn't give Democrats what they needed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (18 children) We gave Democrats enough seats. They used them predictably. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (16 children) You're ignoring that 2 independents caucus with Democrats. It's dishonest to exclude them. But you're splitting hairs because it's convenient for your excuses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (11 children) Two independents from conservative states that barely align with democrats. Why do you handwave this away so easily??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (10 children) One of the independents is Bernie Sanders. Manchin and Sinema were both capital-D Democrats at the time they did everything you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (9 children) They did NOT do everything. It fact we barely got them to do much. All this information is publicly available. Their voting records are available to see. None of this is hidden. They are the primary reason most of the bills that DID pass were almost completely neutered because they were negotiated down or stalled. This also happened only a few years ago. We are not talking about last decade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (8 children) They did NOT do everything. God damn, you're bad at reading. First you act like Manchin and Sinema were independents when they were blocking shit for you, and now you're ignoring parts of my sentence to make it contrary to what I said. Manchin and Sinema did everything that YOU WANTED THEM TO DO. They blocked legislation. That's all you wanted. There is no point in arguing with you since you selectively pretend to be unable to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (7 children) I'm not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. I'm for progressive policies but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) I’m not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. Right. We voted for Democrats. We gave Democrats the seats they needed. They didn't vote in the lockstep Democrats demand from their voters. I’m for progressive policies But you make excuses for the party that always finds the no votes to kill them. but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? Held hostage. Sure. Oh no. Just enough Democrats voted against legislation that party leadership didn't want. There are always enough Manchins. Now selectively forget how to read again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) I don't know what your argument is any more. Sinema and Manchin were always moderates. Democrats can't perform miracles if they don't have enough votes. Do you have any suggestions how they could have done it with just a slim majority held back by two moderates? What's your plan? I'm listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) I’m listening. This entire conversation has shown that this is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point? I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever. I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) THEY DID. Unlike Manchin and Sinema, independents caucused with the party. The Democratic caucus had 50 seats. We gave them the seats. They used them like you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And we gave Democrats those seats. Lying and saying that we only gave Democrats 48 just because 2 of them did everything you wanted doesn't mean that we didn't give Democrats what they needed. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (16 children) You're ignoring that 2 independents caucus with Democrats. It's dishonest to exclude them. But you're splitting hairs because it's convenient for your excuses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (11 children) Two independents from conservative states that barely align with democrats. Why do you handwave this away so easily??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (10 children) One of the independents is Bernie Sanders. Manchin and Sinema were both capital-D Democrats at the time they did everything you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (9 children) They did NOT do everything. It fact we barely got them to do much. All this information is publicly available. Their voting records are available to see. None of this is hidden. They are the primary reason most of the bills that DID pass were almost completely neutered because they were negotiated down or stalled. This also happened only a few years ago. We are not talking about last decade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (8 children) They did NOT do everything. God damn, you're bad at reading. First you act like Manchin and Sinema were independents when they were blocking shit for you, and now you're ignoring parts of my sentence to make it contrary to what I said. Manchin and Sinema did everything that YOU WANTED THEM TO DO. They blocked legislation. That's all you wanted. There is no point in arguing with you since you selectively pretend to be unable to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (7 children) I'm not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. I'm for progressive policies but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) I’m not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. Right. We voted for Democrats. We gave Democrats the seats they needed. They didn't vote in the lockstep Democrats demand from their voters. I’m for progressive policies But you make excuses for the party that always finds the no votes to kill them. but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? Held hostage. Sure. Oh no. Just enough Democrats voted against legislation that party leadership didn't want. There are always enough Manchins. Now selectively forget how to read again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) I don't know what your argument is any more. Sinema and Manchin were always moderates. Democrats can't perform miracles if they don't have enough votes. Do you have any suggestions how they could have done it with just a slim majority held back by two moderates? What's your plan? I'm listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) I’m listening. This entire conversation has shown that this is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point? I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever. I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) THEY DID. Unlike Manchin and Sinema, independents caucused with the party. The Democratic caucus had 50 seats. We gave them the seats. They used them like you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And we gave Democrats those seats. Lying and saying that we only gave Democrats 48 just because 2 of them did everything you wanted doesn't mean that we didn't give Democrats what they needed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (16 children) You're ignoring that 2 independents caucus with Democrats. It's dishonest to exclude them. But you're splitting hairs because it's convenient for your excuses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (11 children) Two independents from conservative states that barely align with democrats. Why do you handwave this away so easily??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (10 children) One of the independents is Bernie Sanders. Manchin and Sinema were both capital-D Democrats at the time they did everything you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (9 children) They did NOT do everything. It fact we barely got them to do much. All this information is publicly available. Their voting records are available to see. None of this is hidden. They are the primary reason most of the bills that DID pass were almost completely neutered because they were negotiated down or stalled. This also happened only a few years ago. We are not talking about last decade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (8 children) They did NOT do everything. God damn, you're bad at reading. First you act like Manchin and Sinema were independents when they were blocking shit for you, and now you're ignoring parts of my sentence to make it contrary to what I said. Manchin and Sinema did everything that YOU WANTED THEM TO DO. They blocked legislation. That's all you wanted. There is no point in arguing with you since you selectively pretend to be unable to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (7 children) I'm not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. I'm for progressive policies but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) I’m not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. Right. We voted for Democrats. We gave Democrats the seats they needed. They didn't vote in the lockstep Democrats demand from their voters. I’m for progressive policies But you make excuses for the party that always finds the no votes to kill them. but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? Held hostage. Sure. Oh no. Just enough Democrats voted against legislation that party leadership didn't want. There are always enough Manchins. Now selectively forget how to read again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) I don't know what your argument is any more. Sinema and Manchin were always moderates. Democrats can't perform miracles if they don't have enough votes. Do you have any suggestions how they could have done it with just a slim majority held back by two moderates? What's your plan? I'm listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) I’m listening. This entire conversation has shown that this is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point? I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever. I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) THEY DID. Unlike Manchin and Sinema, independents caucused with the party. The Democratic caucus had 50 seats. We gave them the seats. They used them like you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And we gave Democrats those seats. Lying and saying that we only gave Democrats 48 just because 2 of them did everything you wanted doesn't mean that we didn't give Democrats what they needed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (11 children) Two independents from conservative states that barely align with democrats. Why do you handwave this away so easily??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (10 children) One of the independents is Bernie Sanders. Manchin and Sinema were both capital-D Democrats at the time they did everything you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (9 children) They did NOT do everything. It fact we barely got them to do much. All this information is publicly available. Their voting records are available to see. None of this is hidden. They are the primary reason most of the bills that DID pass were almost completely neutered because they were negotiated down or stalled. This also happened only a few years ago. We are not talking about last decade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (8 children) They did NOT do everything. God damn, you're bad at reading. First you act like Manchin and Sinema were independents when they were blocking shit for you, and now you're ignoring parts of my sentence to make it contrary to what I said. Manchin and Sinema did everything that YOU WANTED THEM TO DO. They blocked legislation. That's all you wanted. There is no point in arguing with you since you selectively pretend to be unable to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (7 children) I'm not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. I'm for progressive policies but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) I’m not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. Right. We voted for Democrats. We gave Democrats the seats they needed. They didn't vote in the lockstep Democrats demand from their voters. I’m for progressive policies But you make excuses for the party that always finds the no votes to kill them. but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? Held hostage. Sure. Oh no. Just enough Democrats voted against legislation that party leadership didn't want. There are always enough Manchins. Now selectively forget how to read again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) I don't know what your argument is any more. Sinema and Manchin were always moderates. Democrats can't perform miracles if they don't have enough votes. Do you have any suggestions how they could have done it with just a slim majority held back by two moderates? What's your plan? I'm listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) I’m listening. This entire conversation has shown that this is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point? I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever. I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (10 children) One of the independents is Bernie Sanders. Manchin and Sinema were both capital-D Democrats at the time they did everything you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (9 children) They did NOT do everything. It fact we barely got them to do much. All this information is publicly available. Their voting records are available to see. None of this is hidden. They are the primary reason most of the bills that DID pass were almost completely neutered because they were negotiated down or stalled. This also happened only a few years ago. We are not talking about last decade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (8 children) They did NOT do everything. God damn, you're bad at reading. First you act like Manchin and Sinema were independents when they were blocking shit for you, and now you're ignoring parts of my sentence to make it contrary to what I said. Manchin and Sinema did everything that YOU WANTED THEM TO DO. They blocked legislation. That's all you wanted. There is no point in arguing with you since you selectively pretend to be unable to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (7 children) I'm not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. I'm for progressive policies but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) I’m not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. Right. We voted for Democrats. We gave Democrats the seats they needed. They didn't vote in the lockstep Democrats demand from their voters. I’m for progressive policies But you make excuses for the party that always finds the no votes to kill them. but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? Held hostage. Sure. Oh no. Just enough Democrats voted against legislation that party leadership didn't want. There are always enough Manchins. Now selectively forget how to read again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) I don't know what your argument is any more. Sinema and Manchin were always moderates. Democrats can't perform miracles if they don't have enough votes. Do you have any suggestions how they could have done it with just a slim majority held back by two moderates? What's your plan? I'm listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) I’m listening. This entire conversation has shown that this is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point? I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever. I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (9 children) They did NOT do everything. It fact we barely got them to do much. All this information is publicly available. Their voting records are available to see. None of this is hidden. They are the primary reason most of the bills that DID pass were almost completely neutered because they were negotiated down or stalled. This also happened only a few years ago. We are not talking about last decade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (8 children) They did NOT do everything. God damn, you're bad at reading. First you act like Manchin and Sinema were independents when they were blocking shit for you, and now you're ignoring parts of my sentence to make it contrary to what I said. Manchin and Sinema did everything that YOU WANTED THEM TO DO. They blocked legislation. That's all you wanted. There is no point in arguing with you since you selectively pretend to be unable to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (7 children) I'm not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. I'm for progressive policies but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) I’m not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. Right. We voted for Democrats. We gave Democrats the seats they needed. They didn't vote in the lockstep Democrats demand from their voters. I’m for progressive policies But you make excuses for the party that always finds the no votes to kill them. but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? Held hostage. Sure. Oh no. Just enough Democrats voted against legislation that party leadership didn't want. There are always enough Manchins. Now selectively forget how to read again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) I don't know what your argument is any more. Sinema and Manchin were always moderates. Democrats can't perform miracles if they don't have enough votes. Do you have any suggestions how they could have done it with just a slim majority held back by two moderates? What's your plan? I'm listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) I’m listening. This entire conversation has shown that this is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point? I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever. I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (8 children) They did NOT do everything. God damn, you're bad at reading. First you act like Manchin and Sinema were independents when they were blocking shit for you, and now you're ignoring parts of my sentence to make it contrary to what I said. Manchin and Sinema did everything that YOU WANTED THEM TO DO. They blocked legislation. That's all you wanted. There is no point in arguing with you since you selectively pretend to be unable to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (7 children) I'm not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. I'm for progressive policies but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) I’m not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. Right. We voted for Democrats. We gave Democrats the seats they needed. They didn't vote in the lockstep Democrats demand from their voters. I’m for progressive policies But you make excuses for the party that always finds the no votes to kill them. but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? Held hostage. Sure. Oh no. Just enough Democrats voted against legislation that party leadership didn't want. There are always enough Manchins. Now selectively forget how to read again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) I don't know what your argument is any more. Sinema and Manchin were always moderates. Democrats can't perform miracles if they don't have enough votes. Do you have any suggestions how they could have done it with just a slim majority held back by two moderates? What's your plan? I'm listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) I’m listening. This entire conversation has shown that this is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point? I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever. I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (7 children) I'm not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. I'm for progressive policies but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) I’m not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. Right. We voted for Democrats. We gave Democrats the seats they needed. They didn't vote in the lockstep Democrats demand from their voters. I’m for progressive policies But you make excuses for the party that always finds the no votes to kill them. but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? Held hostage. Sure. Oh no. Just enough Democrats voted against legislation that party leadership didn't want. There are always enough Manchins. Now selectively forget how to read again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) I don't know what your argument is any more. Sinema and Manchin were always moderates. Democrats can't perform miracles if they don't have enough votes. Do you have any suggestions how they could have done it with just a slim majority held back by two moderates? What's your plan? I'm listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) I’m listening. This entire conversation has shown that this is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point? I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever. I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) I’m not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. Right. We voted for Democrats. We gave Democrats the seats they needed. They didn't vote in the lockstep Democrats demand from their voters. I’m for progressive policies But you make excuses for the party that always finds the no votes to kill them. but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear??? Held hostage. Sure. Oh no. Just enough Democrats voted against legislation that party leadership didn't want. There are always enough Manchins. Now selectively forget how to read again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) I don't know what your argument is any more. Sinema and Manchin were always moderates. Democrats can't perform miracles if they don't have enough votes. Do you have any suggestions how they could have done it with just a slim majority held back by two moderates? What's your plan? I'm listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) I’m listening. This entire conversation has shown that this is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point? I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever. I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) I don't know what your argument is any more. Sinema and Manchin were always moderates. Democrats can't perform miracles if they don't have enough votes. Do you have any suggestions how they could have done it with just a slim majority held back by two moderates? What's your plan? I'm listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) I’m listening. This entire conversation has shown that this is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point? I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever. I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) I’m listening. This entire conversation has shown that this is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point? I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever. I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point? I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever. I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever. I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) THEY DID. Unlike Manchin and Sinema, independents caucused with the party. The Democratic caucus had 50 seats. We gave them the seats. They used them like you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And we gave Democrats those seats. Lying and saying that we only gave Democrats 48 just because 2 of them did everything you wanted doesn't mean that we didn't give Democrats what they needed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) THEY DID. Unlike Manchin and Sinema, independents caucused with the party. The Democratic caucus had 50 seats. We gave them the seats. They used them like you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And we gave Democrats those seats. Lying and saying that we only gave Democrats 48 just because 2 of them did everything you wanted doesn't mean that we didn't give Democrats what they needed. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And we gave Democrats those seats. Lying and saying that we only gave Democrats 48 just because 2 of them did everything you wanted doesn't mean that we didn't give Democrats what they needed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And we gave Democrats those seats. Lying and saying that we only gave Democrats 48 just because 2 of them did everything you wanted doesn't mean that we didn't give Democrats what they needed. permalink fedilink source parent