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[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 147 points 3 years ago (3 children) vs The Expanse: we are headed for some bleak imperialist nonsense but humanity's salvation will come from... Nevermind, we're fucked. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] roofuskit@kbin.social 53 points 3 years ago (3 children) Just most of us, except Amos. Amos will be fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 years ago He is that guy permalink fedilink source parent [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 12 points 3 years ago Nothing this guy can't shrug off. Litterally. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pips@lemmy.film 8 points 3 years ago He's got the shotgun, you've got the briefcase. All in the game, though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zerfallen@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago [...] humanity's salvation will come from alien technology we haven't discovered yet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) The expense always looked like almost utopic to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 29 points 3 years ago (3 children) Truly ? What aspects of it ? I mean they do have universal basic income on earth but apart from that humanity is all kinds of fucked. And it doesn't exactly get better as the story progresses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 15 points 3 years ago (3 children) The fact that the earth is even united and not completely screwed is already a great start. It was even recovering from climate change before Inaros. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 18 points 3 years ago The earthers are not doing that bad in the beginning that is true. But the rest of the system have it rough. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teft@startrek.website 12 points 3 years ago (2 children) The earth is united like the United States is united. The tribes just got bigger is all. Instead of NATO vs BRICS, the Expanse universe has Earthers vs Martians vs Belters. And people are suffering hard on earth as evidenced during Bobby’s trip to the ocean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] busteray@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Bobby's saw a very different earth in the books tho. People living in UBI weren't really living a paradise but they weren't homeless hobos like in the show. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 6 points 3 years ago Example B of earth being shittastic is the entirety of The Churn novella The story for The Churn is entirely Earth based and provides a description of what the average life in a crowded, metropolitan city is like in the world of the Expanse. The city of Baltimore has given way to a multitude of crime bosses, and organized black markets. There are multiple bosses who each keep a "family" of personal guards that operate the smuggling of goods, illegal memory implants, weapons smuggling, cybernetic implants, and other illegal goods and services. The story takes place over the course of about two days. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Everyone starts to come together in the last book though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago They're kind of forced to by an outside context problem, to quote Banks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago In a very... Specific way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) To be fair to Inaros he did end global warming and the overpopulation of earth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Inaros did nothing wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nxfsi@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) Chrissie's fabulous saris permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Fair enough. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Isn't the UBI on earth literally so poor that people on it are stuck in lives of poverty unless they can get into some kind of training scheme? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Mostly they suffer from extreme boredom and mediocre lives. Nothing drastic but soul suckingly unfulfilling. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 12 points 3 years ago (2 children) You mean dystopic right ... right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 4 points 3 years ago (3 children) Not at all. It always looked like something in between for me. Humanity is still struggling but moving forward, and most people live under various kind of regimes but no big bad Empire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well the belters have it pretty rough and Mars is basically totalitarian. And without spoiling anything I'd suggest you keep reading, it is worth it :). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Krompus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (4 children) I have a question for you, fancy pantsy book reader on their own instance: should I watch the show and then read the books, read the books and then watch the show, or read the books and skip the show? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Doesn't really matter as the show ends three books short. You probably want to read them though rather than try and pick up from book 7 after the show as lots of characters were changed a bit in the show and one is killed due to off screen drama who should survive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 years ago That character death was so sad. But the reason behind the scenes was absolutely justified permalink fedilink source parent [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well my pants aren't fancy at all thank you very much :p. The show is great, and so are the books. Mostly I would start by watching the show which is, for the first season at least, much more polished imho (the writers of the book were also show runners). After that, the show ends at book 6 (there are 9 total) but several character arcs are tweaked so I would recommend reading at least books 3 to 6 before 7. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Krompus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Thank you! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago You're welcome! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Brainded@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) "(the writers of the book were also show runners)" This must be why the books read like a TV or movie script to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) The books came much earlier than the show. What they meant was that the showrunners involved the writers of the books in the production of the show, which resulted in a much more faithful adaptation than is usual for these things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 1 point 3 years ago Yes exactly. Thank you for clarifying my mangled sentence :). permalink fedilink source parent [–] bitcrafter@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 years ago Watch the show and then read the books. In my opinion the show is fantastic and incredibly enjoyable (except for ending the series in what is obviously the middle of a significant plot thread, which is annoying) but the books are even better and spoiled the show a tinsy bit for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago Listen to the books, don't care about the show. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Winston Duarte has entered the chat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago The chat has become Winston Duarte. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) So you would enjoy the belter life much? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) Belters are a vast minority, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Marruk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago The population numbers sort of... even out later in the books. permalink fedilink source parent [–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago So? permalink fedilink source parent [+] LonelyWendigo@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) As far as I know utopia and dystopia are like polar opposites. I have never heard the take before that the concept of utopia includes that it´s rotten on the inside and only looks perfect. Where did you get that idea from? A utopia (/juːˈtoʊpiə/ yoo-TOH-pee-ə) typically describes an imaginary community or society that possesses highly desirable or near-perfect qualities for its members. and The opposite of a utopia is a dystopia. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 6 points 3 years ago A dystopia is properly a utopia with one critical flaw. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] roofuskit@kbin.social 53 points 3 years ago (3 children) Just most of us, except Amos. Amos will be fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 years ago He is that guy permalink fedilink source parent [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 12 points 3 years ago Nothing this guy can't shrug off. Litterally. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pips@lemmy.film 8 points 3 years ago He's got the shotgun, you've got the briefcase. All in the game, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 12 points 3 years ago Nothing this guy can't shrug off. Litterally. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pips@lemmy.film 8 points 3 years ago He's got the shotgun, you've got the briefcase. All in the game, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zerfallen@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago [...] humanity's salvation will come from alien technology we haven't discovered yet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) The expense always looked like almost utopic to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 29 points 3 years ago (3 children) Truly ? What aspects of it ? I mean they do have universal basic income on earth but apart from that humanity is all kinds of fucked. And it doesn't exactly get better as the story progresses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 15 points 3 years ago (3 children) The fact that the earth is even united and not completely screwed is already a great start. It was even recovering from climate change before Inaros. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 18 points 3 years ago The earthers are not doing that bad in the beginning that is true. But the rest of the system have it rough. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teft@startrek.website 12 points 3 years ago (2 children) The earth is united like the United States is united. The tribes just got bigger is all. Instead of NATO vs BRICS, the Expanse universe has Earthers vs Martians vs Belters. And people are suffering hard on earth as evidenced during Bobby’s trip to the ocean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] busteray@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Bobby's saw a very different earth in the books tho. People living in UBI weren't really living a paradise but they weren't homeless hobos like in the show. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 6 points 3 years ago Example B of earth being shittastic is the entirety of The Churn novella The story for The Churn is entirely Earth based and provides a description of what the average life in a crowded, metropolitan city is like in the world of the Expanse. The city of Baltimore has given way to a multitude of crime bosses, and organized black markets. There are multiple bosses who each keep a "family" of personal guards that operate the smuggling of goods, illegal memory implants, weapons smuggling, cybernetic implants, and other illegal goods and services. The story takes place over the course of about two days. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Everyone starts to come together in the last book though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago They're kind of forced to by an outside context problem, to quote Banks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago In a very... Specific way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) To be fair to Inaros he did end global warming and the overpopulation of earth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Inaros did nothing wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nxfsi@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) Chrissie's fabulous saris permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Fair enough. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Isn't the UBI on earth literally so poor that people on it are stuck in lives of poverty unless they can get into some kind of training scheme? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Mostly they suffer from extreme boredom and mediocre lives. Nothing drastic but soul suckingly unfulfilling. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 12 points 3 years ago (2 children) You mean dystopic right ... right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 4 points 3 years ago (3 children) Not at all. It always looked like something in between for me. Humanity is still struggling but moving forward, and most people live under various kind of regimes but no big bad Empire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well the belters have it pretty rough and Mars is basically totalitarian. And without spoiling anything I'd suggest you keep reading, it is worth it :). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Krompus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (4 children) I have a question for you, fancy pantsy book reader on their own instance: should I watch the show and then read the books, read the books and then watch the show, or read the books and skip the show? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Doesn't really matter as the show ends three books short. You probably want to read them though rather than try and pick up from book 7 after the show as lots of characters were changed a bit in the show and one is killed due to off screen drama who should survive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 years ago That character death was so sad. But the reason behind the scenes was absolutely justified permalink fedilink source parent [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well my pants aren't fancy at all thank you very much :p. The show is great, and so are the books. Mostly I would start by watching the show which is, for the first season at least, much more polished imho (the writers of the book were also show runners). After that, the show ends at book 6 (there are 9 total) but several character arcs are tweaked so I would recommend reading at least books 3 to 6 before 7. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Krompus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Thank you! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago You're welcome! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Brainded@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) "(the writers of the book were also show runners)" This must be why the books read like a TV or movie script to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) The books came much earlier than the show. What they meant was that the showrunners involved the writers of the books in the production of the show, which resulted in a much more faithful adaptation than is usual for these things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 1 point 3 years ago Yes exactly. Thank you for clarifying my mangled sentence :). permalink fedilink source parent [–] bitcrafter@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 years ago Watch the show and then read the books. In my opinion the show is fantastic and incredibly enjoyable (except for ending the series in what is obviously the middle of a significant plot thread, which is annoying) but the books are even better and spoiled the show a tinsy bit for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago Listen to the books, don't care about the show. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Winston Duarte has entered the chat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago The chat has become Winston Duarte. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) So you would enjoy the belter life much? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) Belters are a vast minority, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Marruk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago The population numbers sort of... even out later in the books. permalink fedilink source parent [–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago So? permalink fedilink source parent [+] LonelyWendigo@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) As far as I know utopia and dystopia are like polar opposites. I have never heard the take before that the concept of utopia includes that it´s rotten on the inside and only looks perfect. Where did you get that idea from? A utopia (/juːˈtoʊpiə/ yoo-TOH-pee-ə) typically describes an imaginary community or society that possesses highly desirable or near-perfect qualities for its members. and The opposite of a utopia is a dystopia. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 6 points 3 years ago A dystopia is properly a utopia with one critical flaw. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 29 points 3 years ago (3 children) Truly ? What aspects of it ? I mean they do have universal basic income on earth but apart from that humanity is all kinds of fucked. And it doesn't exactly get better as the story progresses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 15 points 3 years ago (3 children) The fact that the earth is even united and not completely screwed is already a great start. It was even recovering from climate change before Inaros. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 18 points 3 years ago The earthers are not doing that bad in the beginning that is true. But the rest of the system have it rough. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teft@startrek.website 12 points 3 years ago (2 children) The earth is united like the United States is united. The tribes just got bigger is all. Instead of NATO vs BRICS, the Expanse universe has Earthers vs Martians vs Belters. And people are suffering hard on earth as evidenced during Bobby’s trip to the ocean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] busteray@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Bobby's saw a very different earth in the books tho. People living in UBI weren't really living a paradise but they weren't homeless hobos like in the show. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 6 points 3 years ago Example B of earth being shittastic is the entirety of The Churn novella The story for The Churn is entirely Earth based and provides a description of what the average life in a crowded, metropolitan city is like in the world of the Expanse. The city of Baltimore has given way to a multitude of crime bosses, and organized black markets. There are multiple bosses who each keep a "family" of personal guards that operate the smuggling of goods, illegal memory implants, weapons smuggling, cybernetic implants, and other illegal goods and services. The story takes place over the course of about two days. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Everyone starts to come together in the last book though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago They're kind of forced to by an outside context problem, to quote Banks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago In a very... Specific way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) To be fair to Inaros he did end global warming and the overpopulation of earth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Inaros did nothing wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nxfsi@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) Chrissie's fabulous saris permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Fair enough. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Isn't the UBI on earth literally so poor that people on it are stuck in lives of poverty unless they can get into some kind of training scheme? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Mostly they suffer from extreme boredom and mediocre lives. Nothing drastic but soul suckingly unfulfilling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 15 points 3 years ago (3 children) The fact that the earth is even united and not completely screwed is already a great start. It was even recovering from climate change before Inaros. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 18 points 3 years ago The earthers are not doing that bad in the beginning that is true. But the rest of the system have it rough. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teft@startrek.website 12 points 3 years ago (2 children) The earth is united like the United States is united. The tribes just got bigger is all. Instead of NATO vs BRICS, the Expanse universe has Earthers vs Martians vs Belters. And people are suffering hard on earth as evidenced during Bobby’s trip to the ocean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] busteray@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Bobby's saw a very different earth in the books tho. People living in UBI weren't really living a paradise but they weren't homeless hobos like in the show. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 6 points 3 years ago Example B of earth being shittastic is the entirety of The Churn novella The story for The Churn is entirely Earth based and provides a description of what the average life in a crowded, metropolitan city is like in the world of the Expanse. The city of Baltimore has given way to a multitude of crime bosses, and organized black markets. There are multiple bosses who each keep a "family" of personal guards that operate the smuggling of goods, illegal memory implants, weapons smuggling, cybernetic implants, and other illegal goods and services. The story takes place over the course of about two days. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Everyone starts to come together in the last book though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago They're kind of forced to by an outside context problem, to quote Banks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago In a very... Specific way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) To be fair to Inaros he did end global warming and the overpopulation of earth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Inaros did nothing wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 18 points 3 years ago The earthers are not doing that bad in the beginning that is true. But the rest of the system have it rough. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teft@startrek.website 12 points 3 years ago (2 children) The earth is united like the United States is united. The tribes just got bigger is all. Instead of NATO vs BRICS, the Expanse universe has Earthers vs Martians vs Belters. And people are suffering hard on earth as evidenced during Bobby’s trip to the ocean. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] busteray@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Bobby's saw a very different earth in the books tho. People living in UBI weren't really living a paradise but they weren't homeless hobos like in the show. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 6 points 3 years ago Example B of earth being shittastic is the entirety of The Churn novella The story for The Churn is entirely Earth based and provides a description of what the average life in a crowded, metropolitan city is like in the world of the Expanse. The city of Baltimore has given way to a multitude of crime bosses, and organized black markets. There are multiple bosses who each keep a "family" of personal guards that operate the smuggling of goods, illegal memory implants, weapons smuggling, cybernetic implants, and other illegal goods and services. The story takes place over the course of about two days. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Everyone starts to come together in the last book though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago They're kind of forced to by an outside context problem, to quote Banks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago In a very... Specific way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] busteray@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Bobby's saw a very different earth in the books tho. People living in UBI weren't really living a paradise but they weren't homeless hobos like in the show. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 6 points 3 years ago Example B of earth being shittastic is the entirety of The Churn novella The story for The Churn is entirely Earth based and provides a description of what the average life in a crowded, metropolitan city is like in the world of the Expanse. The city of Baltimore has given way to a multitude of crime bosses, and organized black markets. There are multiple bosses who each keep a "family" of personal guards that operate the smuggling of goods, illegal memory implants, weapons smuggling, cybernetic implants, and other illegal goods and services. The story takes place over the course of about two days. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teft@startrek.website 6 points 3 years ago Example B of earth being shittastic is the entirety of The Churn novella The story for The Churn is entirely Earth based and provides a description of what the average life in a crowded, metropolitan city is like in the world of the Expanse. The city of Baltimore has given way to a multitude of crime bosses, and organized black markets. There are multiple bosses who each keep a "family" of personal guards that operate the smuggling of goods, illegal memory implants, weapons smuggling, cybernetic implants, and other illegal goods and services. The story takes place over the course of about two days. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Everyone starts to come together in the last book though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago They're kind of forced to by an outside context problem, to quote Banks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago In a very... Specific way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago They're kind of forced to by an outside context problem, to quote Banks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago In a very... Specific way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) To be fair to Inaros he did end global warming and the overpopulation of earth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Inaros did nothing wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Inaros did nothing wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nxfsi@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) Chrissie's fabulous saris permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Fair enough. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Isn't the UBI on earth literally so poor that people on it are stuck in lives of poverty unless they can get into some kind of training scheme? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Mostly they suffer from extreme boredom and mediocre lives. Nothing drastic but soul suckingly unfulfilling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago Mostly they suffer from extreme boredom and mediocre lives. Nothing drastic but soul suckingly unfulfilling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 12 points 3 years ago (2 children) You mean dystopic right ... right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 4 points 3 years ago (3 children) Not at all. It always looked like something in between for me. Humanity is still struggling but moving forward, and most people live under various kind of regimes but no big bad Empire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well the belters have it pretty rough and Mars is basically totalitarian. And without spoiling anything I'd suggest you keep reading, it is worth it :). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Krompus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (4 children) I have a question for you, fancy pantsy book reader on their own instance: should I watch the show and then read the books, read the books and then watch the show, or read the books and skip the show? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Doesn't really matter as the show ends three books short. You probably want to read them though rather than try and pick up from book 7 after the show as lots of characters were changed a bit in the show and one is killed due to off screen drama who should survive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 years ago That character death was so sad. But the reason behind the scenes was absolutely justified permalink fedilink source parent [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well my pants aren't fancy at all thank you very much :p. The show is great, and so are the books. Mostly I would start by watching the show which is, for the first season at least, much more polished imho (the writers of the book were also show runners). After that, the show ends at book 6 (there are 9 total) but several character arcs are tweaked so I would recommend reading at least books 3 to 6 before 7. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Krompus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Thank you! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago You're welcome! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Brainded@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) "(the writers of the book were also show runners)" This must be why the books read like a TV or movie script to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) The books came much earlier than the show. What they meant was that the showrunners involved the writers of the books in the production of the show, which resulted in a much more faithful adaptation than is usual for these things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 1 point 3 years ago Yes exactly. Thank you for clarifying my mangled sentence :). permalink fedilink source parent [–] bitcrafter@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 years ago Watch the show and then read the books. In my opinion the show is fantastic and incredibly enjoyable (except for ending the series in what is obviously the middle of a significant plot thread, which is annoying) but the books are even better and spoiled the show a tinsy bit for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago Listen to the books, don't care about the show. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Winston Duarte has entered the chat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago The chat has become Winston Duarte. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) So you would enjoy the belter life much? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) Belters are a vast minority, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Marruk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago The population numbers sort of... even out later in the books. permalink fedilink source parent [–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago So? permalink fedilink source parent [+] LonelyWendigo@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) As far as I know utopia and dystopia are like polar opposites. I have never heard the take before that the concept of utopia includes that it´s rotten on the inside and only looks perfect. Where did you get that idea from? A utopia (/juːˈtoʊpiə/ yoo-TOH-pee-ə) typically describes an imaginary community or society that possesses highly desirable or near-perfect qualities for its members. and The opposite of a utopia is a dystopia. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 6 points 3 years ago A dystopia is properly a utopia with one critical flaw. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 4 points 3 years ago (3 children) Not at all. It always looked like something in between for me. Humanity is still struggling but moving forward, and most people live under various kind of regimes but no big bad Empire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well the belters have it pretty rough and Mars is basically totalitarian. And without spoiling anything I'd suggest you keep reading, it is worth it :). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Krompus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (4 children) I have a question for you, fancy pantsy book reader on their own instance: should I watch the show and then read the books, read the books and then watch the show, or read the books and skip the show? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Doesn't really matter as the show ends three books short. You probably want to read them though rather than try and pick up from book 7 after the show as lots of characters were changed a bit in the show and one is killed due to off screen drama who should survive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 years ago That character death was so sad. But the reason behind the scenes was absolutely justified permalink fedilink source parent [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well my pants aren't fancy at all thank you very much :p. The show is great, and so are the books. Mostly I would start by watching the show which is, for the first season at least, much more polished imho (the writers of the book were also show runners). After that, the show ends at book 6 (there are 9 total) but several character arcs are tweaked so I would recommend reading at least books 3 to 6 before 7. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Krompus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Thank you! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago You're welcome! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Brainded@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) "(the writers of the book were also show runners)" This must be why the books read like a TV or movie script to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) The books came much earlier than the show. What they meant was that the showrunners involved the writers of the books in the production of the show, which resulted in a much more faithful adaptation than is usual for these things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 1 point 3 years ago Yes exactly. Thank you for clarifying my mangled sentence :). permalink fedilink source parent [–] bitcrafter@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 years ago Watch the show and then read the books. In my opinion the show is fantastic and incredibly enjoyable (except for ending the series in what is obviously the middle of a significant plot thread, which is annoying) but the books are even better and spoiled the show a tinsy bit for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago Listen to the books, don't care about the show. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Winston Duarte has entered the chat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago The chat has become Winston Duarte. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) So you would enjoy the belter life much? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) Belters are a vast minority, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Marruk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago The population numbers sort of... even out later in the books. permalink fedilink source parent [–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago So? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well the belters have it pretty rough and Mars is basically totalitarian. And without spoiling anything I'd suggest you keep reading, it is worth it :). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Krompus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (4 children) I have a question for you, fancy pantsy book reader on their own instance: should I watch the show and then read the books, read the books and then watch the show, or read the books and skip the show? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Doesn't really matter as the show ends three books short. You probably want to read them though rather than try and pick up from book 7 after the show as lots of characters were changed a bit in the show and one is killed due to off screen drama who should survive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 years ago That character death was so sad. But the reason behind the scenes was absolutely justified permalink fedilink source parent [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well my pants aren't fancy at all thank you very much :p. The show is great, and so are the books. Mostly I would start by watching the show which is, for the first season at least, much more polished imho (the writers of the book were also show runners). After that, the show ends at book 6 (there are 9 total) but several character arcs are tweaked so I would recommend reading at least books 3 to 6 before 7. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Krompus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Thank you! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago You're welcome! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Brainded@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) "(the writers of the book were also show runners)" This must be why the books read like a TV or movie script to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) The books came much earlier than the show. What they meant was that the showrunners involved the writers of the books in the production of the show, which resulted in a much more faithful adaptation than is usual for these things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 1 point 3 years ago Yes exactly. Thank you for clarifying my mangled sentence :). permalink fedilink source parent [–] bitcrafter@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 years ago Watch the show and then read the books. In my opinion the show is fantastic and incredibly enjoyable (except for ending the series in what is obviously the middle of a significant plot thread, which is annoying) but the books are even better and spoiled the show a tinsy bit for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago Listen to the books, don't care about the show. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Krompus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (4 children) I have a question for you, fancy pantsy book reader on their own instance: should I watch the show and then read the books, read the books and then watch the show, or read the books and skip the show? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Doesn't really matter as the show ends three books short. You probably want to read them though rather than try and pick up from book 7 after the show as lots of characters were changed a bit in the show and one is killed due to off screen drama who should survive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 years ago That character death was so sad. But the reason behind the scenes was absolutely justified permalink fedilink source parent [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well my pants aren't fancy at all thank you very much :p. The show is great, and so are the books. Mostly I would start by watching the show which is, for the first season at least, much more polished imho (the writers of the book were also show runners). After that, the show ends at book 6 (there are 9 total) but several character arcs are tweaked so I would recommend reading at least books 3 to 6 before 7. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Krompus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Thank you! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago You're welcome! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Brainded@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) "(the writers of the book were also show runners)" This must be why the books read like a TV or movie script to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) The books came much earlier than the show. What they meant was that the showrunners involved the writers of the books in the production of the show, which resulted in a much more faithful adaptation than is usual for these things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 1 point 3 years ago Yes exactly. Thank you for clarifying my mangled sentence :). permalink fedilink source parent [–] bitcrafter@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 years ago Watch the show and then read the books. In my opinion the show is fantastic and incredibly enjoyable (except for ending the series in what is obviously the middle of a significant plot thread, which is annoying) but the books are even better and spoiled the show a tinsy bit for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago Listen to the books, don't care about the show. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Doesn't really matter as the show ends three books short. You probably want to read them though rather than try and pick up from book 7 after the show as lots of characters were changed a bit in the show and one is killed due to off screen drama who should survive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 years ago That character death was so sad. But the reason behind the scenes was absolutely justified permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 years ago That character death was so sad. But the reason behind the scenes was absolutely justified permalink fedilink source parent
[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well my pants aren't fancy at all thank you very much :p. The show is great, and so are the books. Mostly I would start by watching the show which is, for the first season at least, much more polished imho (the writers of the book were also show runners). After that, the show ends at book 6 (there are 9 total) but several character arcs are tweaked so I would recommend reading at least books 3 to 6 before 7. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Krompus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Thank you! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago You're welcome! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Brainded@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) "(the writers of the book were also show runners)" This must be why the books read like a TV or movie script to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) The books came much earlier than the show. What they meant was that the showrunners involved the writers of the books in the production of the show, which resulted in a much more faithful adaptation than is usual for these things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 1 point 3 years ago Yes exactly. Thank you for clarifying my mangled sentence :). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Krompus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Thank you! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago You're welcome! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Brainded@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) "(the writers of the book were also show runners)" This must be why the books read like a TV or movie script to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) The books came much earlier than the show. What they meant was that the showrunners involved the writers of the books in the production of the show, which resulted in a much more faithful adaptation than is usual for these things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 1 point 3 years ago Yes exactly. Thank you for clarifying my mangled sentence :). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) The books came much earlier than the show. What they meant was that the showrunners involved the writers of the books in the production of the show, which resulted in a much more faithful adaptation than is usual for these things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 1 point 3 years ago Yes exactly. Thank you for clarifying my mangled sentence :). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 1 point 3 years ago Yes exactly. Thank you for clarifying my mangled sentence :). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bitcrafter@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 years ago Watch the show and then read the books. In my opinion the show is fantastic and incredibly enjoyable (except for ending the series in what is obviously the middle of a significant plot thread, which is annoying) but the books are even better and spoiled the show a tinsy bit for me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago Listen to the books, don't care about the show. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Winston Duarte has entered the chat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago The chat has become Winston Duarte. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 3 years ago The chat has become Winston Duarte. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) So you would enjoy the belter life much? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) Belters are a vast minority, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Marruk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago The population numbers sort of... even out later in the books. permalink fedilink source parent [–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago So? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) Belters are a vast minority, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Marruk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago The population numbers sort of... even out later in the books. permalink fedilink source parent [–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago So? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Marruk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago The population numbers sort of... even out later in the books. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] LonelyWendigo@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) As far as I know utopia and dystopia are like polar opposites. I have never heard the take before that the concept of utopia includes that it´s rotten on the inside and only looks perfect. Where did you get that idea from? A utopia (/juːˈtoʊpiə/ yoo-TOH-pee-ə) typically describes an imaginary community or society that possesses highly desirable or near-perfect qualities for its members. and The opposite of a utopia is a dystopia. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 6 points 3 years ago A dystopia is properly a utopia with one critical flaw. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) As far as I know utopia and dystopia are like polar opposites. I have never heard the take before that the concept of utopia includes that it´s rotten on the inside and only looks perfect. Where did you get that idea from? A utopia (/juːˈtoʊpiə/ yoo-TOH-pee-ə) typically describes an imaginary community or society that possesses highly desirable or near-perfect qualities for its members. and The opposite of a utopia is a dystopia. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 6 points 3 years ago A dystopia is properly a utopia with one critical flaw. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 6 points 3 years ago A dystopia is properly a utopia with one critical flaw. permalink fedilink source parent