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Muslims: please dont depict Prophet Muhammad, its offensive, thank you Europeans: (hexbear.net)

submitted 5 years ago* (last edited 5 years ago) by thelasthoxhaist@hexbear.net to c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net

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here is the link, its locked by the way beware of the quasi-fascists that are the western europeans

edit: its really easy to attract the islamophobes in this chat

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[–] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (18 children)

this whole discourse is about western reactionaries intentionally enflaming the situation by drawing Muhammad outwardly

a muslim's right to tell a person what they can and can not draw based on religious rules end at their own doorstep. i dont care if they're drawing muhammad and then printing it on flags and flying those flags on every street corner in the entire world, it literally does not matter and anyone who gets upset at them for it is responsible for their own feelings, because no one has any obligation to respect rules specific to their religion

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[–] Saif@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago* (17 children)

so once again, "drawing Muhammad in your own home" is not the question at hand here, you accept this. now you need to accept that nobody gives a shit about questioning the "morality" of drawing Muhammad in a vacuum just as no leftist with half a brain thinks the literal letter structure of the n-word is morally evil on its own. we're talking about cultural contexts. and just as it's morally wrong to go out of your way to be racist towards black people, it's morally wrong to go out of your way to be racist towards Muslims. and it takes a bizarre amount of effort in this context as well, i mean you are arguing for the right for people to make elaborate art just to be racist.

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[–] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (16 children)

there is literally nothing racist about drawing muhammad as a statement that you dont respect religious guidelines, just in the same way there's nothing racist about waving a pride flag in a christian's face. when people try to impose their religious rules on you and you decide to go out of your way to disrespect those rules, that isnt fucking racist.

these people the OP is talking about are almost certainly racist, yes, but it is not racist to draw muhammad

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[–] Saif@hexbear.net 1 point 5 years ago* (15 children)

muslims are a race, and its racist to draw muhammad now, read the room my friend. this is the way of things. stop trying to conflate everything under the western conception of "religion" as if you can approach them all in the exact same way, you imperialist fuck. come to each one humbly with your head bowed, and attempt to learn something new about a different culture, for once in your fucking life.

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[–] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (14 children)

muslims are a race, and its racist to draw muhammad now

what the fuck is wrong with you lmao this is absurd

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[–] Saif@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago* (13 children)

race is a social construct and not a biological one, and if you spend 5 seconds looking at the Western discourse you will see that Muslims have undergone racialization. how have you missed this?

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[–] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (12 children)

ok, if they're a race then they don't have religious rules i need to respect because races are something you are born into and not sets of beliefs that you follow and impose on others

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[–] Saif@hexbear.net 1 point 5 years ago (11 children)

sure, if that's the tack you want to go on. now that we've established islam has been racialized, and that it's extremely obvious that plastering drawings of Muhammad on the walls has been weaponized as form of racial oppression (again take 5 seconds to look at the discourse), can we agree it's fucking racist to do it? and there's precedence of course - culture is a fickle thing and anything can be turned into a slur with enough effort by racists, and we're not even talking about a word, we're talking about elaborately drawing something lmao.

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[–] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (10 children)

sure, if that’s the tack you want to go on. now that we’ve established islam has been racialized, and that it’s extremely obvious that plastering drawings of Muhammad on the walls has been weaponized as form of racial oppression

why is it racial oppression to draw pictures of some guy? it's against muslims religious beliefs, but we're not talking about a religion here, we're talking about a race.

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[–] Saif@hexbear.net 1 point 5 years ago (9 children)

because racists have turned it into racial oppression? i just said culture is a fickle thing and this is how racial slurs and racial oppression develops, just look at blackface.

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[–] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (8 children)

blackface is mockery of a specific race's features. drawing muhammad is mockery of a specific religion's rules. how is there any similarity?

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[–] Saif@hexbear.net 1 point 5 years ago (7 children)

i don't know how many times i have to keep saying this - racial oppression develops culturally, meaning there could be no logic to it but it becomes racist anyway due to the usage by racists for that purpose. for example, a lot of slurs have literally no etymological meaning, such as the "G" word used against Asians. you are trying to make racism seem logical, when it isn't and never has been.

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[–] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (6 children)

so when and how am i allowed to criticize those who wish to impose their religious rules on me?

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[–] Saif@hexbear.net 1 point 5 years ago (5 children)

it's just a word guys stop imposing your rules on me i can say it whenever i want

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[–] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (4 children)

is being black a religion?

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[–] Saif@hexbear.net 1 point 5 years ago (2 children)

no, but being black could be described as a "din" interestingly enough, which Islam describes itself as, as the English word "religion" and its connotations did not exist in classical Arabic. Would you like to learn things from an Islamic perspective, considering you "have never knowingly interacted with a muslim"?

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[–] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 child)

ok so how do i state my disinterest in following their religious rules without being racist?

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[–] DerEwigeAtheist@hexbear.net 1 point 5 years ago

No one asks that you follow ramadan don't work on fridays or quit eating pork. You can even draw mohammed in your own home. But drawing muhammad in our society with it's context has been made into a racist attack on Muslims. I don't know if dogwhistle is the right term, but it is similar, i think.

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[–] DerEwigeAtheist@hexbear.net 1 point 5 years ago

Can't you read?

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