▲ 1973 ▼ Not allowed to work from home (sh.itjust.works) submitted 2 years ago by sjmarf@sh.itjust.works to c/maliciouscompliance@lemmy.world 224 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) My dude, that's exactly what I'm talking about. That's me in fact. Even if I had a contract it wouldn't matter as I live in a right to work state, they can fire me at any point without warning or cause. Having any real employment contract is NOT the norm here. Non office jobs are more likely to be unionized and this have a contract than office jobs. That's the type of thing non W2 self employed contractors or union members might have to lean back on, not rank and file full time office employees. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] candybrie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You get an offer letter that spells some of that out, but it isn't a binding contract. An employment relationship in the United States is presumed to be “at-will,” i.e., terminable by either party, with or without cause or notice. Indeed, a majority of employees in the United States are employed on an “at-will” basis, without a written employment contract, and only with a written offer of employment that outlines the basic terms and conditions of their employment. Source permalink fedilink source parent [–] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Title, start date and time, job title is about all that's on the "contract". Rolls and responsabilities, not anything else, are not defined. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago you don't have too, it's all pretty informal besides taxes and I'd verification. no contract says you have to do X or can't do X, it's more rules or policies, which are often very bendable. you either take it or leave it, they can fire you as they see fit. just as youre not required to give 2 weeks notice. so if you never ask for raise or promotion, good chance you may not get either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I don't understand how people can live like this and not consider emigration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) To where? Somewhere with a substantial pay reduction that does NOT want me there and likely requires I learn a new language in midlife. I'm fine, it's not a hellscape here, there are problems everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 point 2 years ago Unfortunately, true. Countries in the Anglosphere generally don't allow immigration at all past the age of 50 or 55 unless you're married to a citizen or something, so odds are good you aren't even eligible to get in by the time you hit midlife. And going outside of the Anglosphere requires becoming fluent in a language other than English - and even then it's not so easy to immigrate. Of course, one can always head to Svalbard - they don't require work visas or residence visas, as per https://www.sysselmesteren.no/en/entry-and-residence/ - but it's pretty cold that close to the North Pole. Plus you'd have to learn Norwegian. permalink fedilink source parent [–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 2 points 2 years ago Coming from someone who successfully did exactly that - because it's quite tough. Immigration to most countries is quite competitive and expensive, with a lot of hoops to jump through. Those who can do it typically are much better off than the average Tommy and Gina (edit: Bon Jovi for those downvoters who don't get the reference). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) My dude, that's exactly what I'm talking about. That's me in fact. Even if I had a contract it wouldn't matter as I live in a right to work state, they can fire me at any point without warning or cause. Having any real employment contract is NOT the norm here. Non office jobs are more likely to be unionized and this have a contract than office jobs. That's the type of thing non W2 self employed contractors or union members might have to lean back on, not rank and file full time office employees. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] candybrie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You get an offer letter that spells some of that out, but it isn't a binding contract. An employment relationship in the United States is presumed to be “at-will,” i.e., terminable by either party, with or without cause or notice. Indeed, a majority of employees in the United States are employed on an “at-will” basis, without a written employment contract, and only with a written offer of employment that outlines the basic terms and conditions of their employment. Source permalink fedilink source parent [–] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Title, start date and time, job title is about all that's on the "contract". Rolls and responsabilities, not anything else, are not defined. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago you don't have too, it's all pretty informal besides taxes and I'd verification. no contract says you have to do X or can't do X, it's more rules or policies, which are often very bendable. you either take it or leave it, they can fire you as they see fit. just as youre not required to give 2 weeks notice. so if you never ask for raise or promotion, good chance you may not get either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I don't understand how people can live like this and not consider emigration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) To where? Somewhere with a substantial pay reduction that does NOT want me there and likely requires I learn a new language in midlife. I'm fine, it's not a hellscape here, there are problems everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 point 2 years ago Unfortunately, true. Countries in the Anglosphere generally don't allow immigration at all past the age of 50 or 55 unless you're married to a citizen or something, so odds are good you aren't even eligible to get in by the time you hit midlife. And going outside of the Anglosphere requires becoming fluent in a language other than English - and even then it's not so easy to immigrate. Of course, one can always head to Svalbard - they don't require work visas or residence visas, as per https://www.sysselmesteren.no/en/entry-and-residence/ - but it's pretty cold that close to the North Pole. Plus you'd have to learn Norwegian. permalink fedilink source parent [–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 2 points 2 years ago Coming from someone who successfully did exactly that - because it's quite tough. Immigration to most countries is quite competitive and expensive, with a lot of hoops to jump through. Those who can do it typically are much better off than the average Tommy and Gina (edit: Bon Jovi for those downvoters who don't get the reference). permalink fedilink source parent
[+] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] candybrie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You get an offer letter that spells some of that out, but it isn't a binding contract. An employment relationship in the United States is presumed to be “at-will,” i.e., terminable by either party, with or without cause or notice. Indeed, a majority of employees in the United States are employed on an “at-will” basis, without a written employment contract, and only with a written offer of employment that outlines the basic terms and conditions of their employment. Source permalink fedilink source parent [–] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Title, start date and time, job title is about all that's on the "contract". Rolls and responsabilities, not anything else, are not defined. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago you don't have too, it's all pretty informal besides taxes and I'd verification. no contract says you have to do X or can't do X, it's more rules or policies, which are often very bendable. you either take it or leave it, they can fire you as they see fit. just as youre not required to give 2 weeks notice. so if you never ask for raise or promotion, good chance you may not get either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You get an offer letter that spells some of that out, but it isn't a binding contract. An employment relationship in the United States is presumed to be “at-will,” i.e., terminable by either party, with or without cause or notice. Indeed, a majority of employees in the United States are employed on an “at-will” basis, without a written employment contract, and only with a written offer of employment that outlines the basic terms and conditions of their employment. Source permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Title, start date and time, job title is about all that's on the "contract". Rolls and responsabilities, not anything else, are not defined. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago you don't have too, it's all pretty informal besides taxes and I'd verification. no contract says you have to do X or can't do X, it's more rules or policies, which are often very bendable. you either take it or leave it, they can fire you as they see fit. just as youre not required to give 2 weeks notice. so if you never ask for raise or promotion, good chance you may not get either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I don't understand how people can live like this and not consider emigration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) To where? Somewhere with a substantial pay reduction that does NOT want me there and likely requires I learn a new language in midlife. I'm fine, it's not a hellscape here, there are problems everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 point 2 years ago Unfortunately, true. Countries in the Anglosphere generally don't allow immigration at all past the age of 50 or 55 unless you're married to a citizen or something, so odds are good you aren't even eligible to get in by the time you hit midlife. And going outside of the Anglosphere requires becoming fluent in a language other than English - and even then it's not so easy to immigrate. Of course, one can always head to Svalbard - they don't require work visas or residence visas, as per https://www.sysselmesteren.no/en/entry-and-residence/ - but it's pretty cold that close to the North Pole. Plus you'd have to learn Norwegian. permalink fedilink source parent [–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 2 points 2 years ago Coming from someone who successfully did exactly that - because it's quite tough. Immigration to most countries is quite competitive and expensive, with a lot of hoops to jump through. Those who can do it typically are much better off than the average Tommy and Gina (edit: Bon Jovi for those downvoters who don't get the reference). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) To where? Somewhere with a substantial pay reduction that does NOT want me there and likely requires I learn a new language in midlife. I'm fine, it's not a hellscape here, there are problems everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 point 2 years ago Unfortunately, true. Countries in the Anglosphere generally don't allow immigration at all past the age of 50 or 55 unless you're married to a citizen or something, so odds are good you aren't even eligible to get in by the time you hit midlife. And going outside of the Anglosphere requires becoming fluent in a language other than English - and even then it's not so easy to immigrate. Of course, one can always head to Svalbard - they don't require work visas or residence visas, as per https://www.sysselmesteren.no/en/entry-and-residence/ - but it's pretty cold that close to the North Pole. Plus you'd have to learn Norwegian. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 point 2 years ago Unfortunately, true. Countries in the Anglosphere generally don't allow immigration at all past the age of 50 or 55 unless you're married to a citizen or something, so odds are good you aren't even eligible to get in by the time you hit midlife. And going outside of the Anglosphere requires becoming fluent in a language other than English - and even then it's not so easy to immigrate. Of course, one can always head to Svalbard - they don't require work visas or residence visas, as per https://www.sysselmesteren.no/en/entry-and-residence/ - but it's pretty cold that close to the North Pole. Plus you'd have to learn Norwegian. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 2 points 2 years ago Coming from someone who successfully did exactly that - because it's quite tough. Immigration to most countries is quite competitive and expensive, with a lot of hoops to jump through. Those who can do it typically are much better off than the average Tommy and Gina (edit: Bon Jovi for those downvoters who don't get the reference). permalink fedilink source parent
