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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wonder where else, and what time periods have this as the same ("eunuchs" in western or modern mistranslations/misrepresentation actually being trans people)? While there are also no doubt also cases of the term being accurate, it does make one wonder- and it's somewhat heartwarming to think that there was such acceptance on some level, not that it's so odd for pre-Christian (or even then, before trans identity started getting weaponized by the reactionary culture wars) cultures...

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There's eight genders in the Talmud

  1. Zachar, male.
  2. Nekevah, female.
  3. Androgynos, having both male and female characteristics.
  4. Tumtum, lacking sexual characteristics.
  5. Aylonit hamah, identified female at birth but later naturally developing male characteristics.
  6. Aylonit adam, identified female at birth but later developing male characteristics through human intervention.
  7. Saris hamah, identified male at birth but later naturally developing female characteristics.
  8. Saris adam, identified male at birth and later developing female characteristics through human intervention.

1-2 are what we'd call cis. 3, 4, 5 and 7 are different presentations of being intersex. 6 and 8 are what we'd call trans and also include eunuchs etc.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Damn Christians and their cishet agenda screwed it up for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Protestants and counter reformationists specifically in fact. The Catholic church was fairly tolerant of European gender non conformist such as the Feminilli before 1500

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Talmud

androgynos

Can you expand on this? That's greek after all right?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Huh the talmud is younger than I thought then

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah the Torah is the older one.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Loan words are fun, your language either lacks a word for a concept or it's very obscure so you just grab one from a neighboring culture. English has loads of them from French

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

At this point english is to french as swiss is to german.