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Ukraine faces its darkest hour (www.ft.com)

submitted 2 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Military at the front wants talks with Russia, Ukrainian society is "exhausted"

Returning home from the US, Zelenskyy faces Russian advances, an exhausted society and the prospect of winter energy shortages

Once buoyed by hopes of liberating their lands, even soldiers at the front now voice a desire for negotiations with Russia to end the war. Yuriy, another commander on the eastern front who gave only his first name, says he fears the prospect of a “forever war”.

“I am for negotiations now,” he adds, expressing his concern that his son — also a soldier — could spend much of his life fighting and that his grandson might one day inherit an endless conflict.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Minsk Accords, or even a single peace talk

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Russia wants Ukrainian territory and a puppet leader like they had before 2014. Ukraine doesn't want to give them that territory or let them install a puppet leader. This is not a conflict peace talks can solve.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fighting doesn't appear to be getting us any closer to solving it either. Pick your poison.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean maybe but if the Ukrainian people want to try and save their country then let them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We are letting them.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean yes. I'm addressing tankies who like to shit on Ukraine on the internet for not taking Russians offers for "peace".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There it is.

You do realize that this thread is about Ukrainians who are expressing their desires for peace talks, right?

What about you, who are encouraging people to march to their deaths? How are you any better than a ‘tankie’ who wants peace negotiations?

You aren’t better. You’re worse. You want people to die for some patriotic pride you’re applying to them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

What about you, who are encouraging people to march to their deaths?

I'm not. If they want to cut their losses and hope for the best, more power to them. If they don't, also more power to them. But don't go pretending negotiations with Russia are some magic solution that will solve everything. These people are forced to choose between attempting to fight off a seemingly unbeatable aggressor or submitting to said aggressor, and neither is particularly attractive.

You aren’t better. You’re worse. You want people to die for some patriotic pride you’re applying to them.

So first, reported for incivility. Second, I'm not American or European or whatever you thought I am just now. I don't have a horse in this race.