▲ 247 ▼ When you first see what image-generating AIs can do, you feel bad for real artists; after playing around with it, you envy them. (lemmy.ml) submitted 3 years ago by birdcat@lemmy.ml to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world 37 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Peafield@programming.dev 43 points 3 years ago (2 children) I believe they are saying that the skill it takes a real artist to produce art is something to envy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] birdcat@lemmy.ml [S] 18 points 3 years ago (3 children) yea, specifically I envy the ability to form an original idea and then using your skills to create something exactly how you want it to be. Must be nice. Using those AIs is just unsatisfying, it's never your thing, never your style and never your idea, never your vision, never your art – even if it might look kinda cool sometimes. I tried really hard to "create" an older Version of Daria (from the MTV cartoon, so not even an original idea cuz I cannot form those) standing in front of a billboard in a slightly dystopian environment. Despite numerous attempts of prompting, the best I got was this hyper-attractive girl in a green jacket. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SgtSilverLining@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 years ago (4 children) this hyper-attractive girl I swear, it's actually really difficult to make ai women that AREN'T yassified. Is all the training data for what "real" women look like from Instagram? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago No, just internet in general. There are a lot of sites/services that put the stereotypical "hot" women in the light and don't even consider anything else. The same way text content is driven by the most vocal people, video are cut/tailored towards hyperactive squirrels, etc. AI just averages all this out and asks you "do you want it tipped a bit this way or that way". (I know it's a gross overgeneralization, but it still stands) Curating the internet as a "sane, balanced" data source raise two main issues : what does "sane / balanced" mean, and how much human power is needed to seep through all the garbage. This is the main reason I'm not too worried about "AI". We will bend the thing to be a useful tool for a lot of usecases by using local training, but unless these two questions gets an appreciable upgrade, having one big "ubiquitous" AI model that will answer every need is not on the horizon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago* Decades before the internet we knew that popular media does not depict actual women and tends to advance distorted ideals of beauty, often converging toward just one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gens@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 3 years ago https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averageness It just happens when you average faces. permalink fedilink source parent [–] birdcat@lemmy.ml [S] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Lol totally! I started with subtle wrinkles around here eyes and gradually tuned it up to unattractive, old, ugly, sad, which is what you see in the pic I posted 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent [–] CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago You need to work on your prompts. Here's a great example https://petapixel.com/2023/07/26/ai-images-titled-boring-america-photorealism-goes-viral-on-reddit/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 years ago Art is a language. And artists are communicating throught art. You will never be able to communicate your art to an AI with text because it needs art to communicate Atleast thats what i belive permalink fedilink source parent [–] gon@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago AAAAH!! Yes, that makes sense, thank you~ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] birdcat@lemmy.ml [S] 18 points 3 years ago (3 children) yea, specifically I envy the ability to form an original idea and then using your skills to create something exactly how you want it to be. Must be nice. Using those AIs is just unsatisfying, it's never your thing, never your style and never your idea, never your vision, never your art – even if it might look kinda cool sometimes. I tried really hard to "create" an older Version of Daria (from the MTV cartoon, so not even an original idea cuz I cannot form those) standing in front of a billboard in a slightly dystopian environment. Despite numerous attempts of prompting, the best I got was this hyper-attractive girl in a green jacket. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SgtSilverLining@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 years ago (4 children) this hyper-attractive girl I swear, it's actually really difficult to make ai women that AREN'T yassified. Is all the training data for what "real" women look like from Instagram? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago No, just internet in general. There are a lot of sites/services that put the stereotypical "hot" women in the light and don't even consider anything else. The same way text content is driven by the most vocal people, video are cut/tailored towards hyperactive squirrels, etc. AI just averages all this out and asks you "do you want it tipped a bit this way or that way". (I know it's a gross overgeneralization, but it still stands) Curating the internet as a "sane, balanced" data source raise two main issues : what does "sane / balanced" mean, and how much human power is needed to seep through all the garbage. This is the main reason I'm not too worried about "AI". We will bend the thing to be a useful tool for a lot of usecases by using local training, but unless these two questions gets an appreciable upgrade, having one big "ubiquitous" AI model that will answer every need is not on the horizon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago* Decades before the internet we knew that popular media does not depict actual women and tends to advance distorted ideals of beauty, often converging toward just one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gens@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 3 years ago https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averageness It just happens when you average faces. permalink fedilink source parent [–] birdcat@lemmy.ml [S] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Lol totally! I started with subtle wrinkles around here eyes and gradually tuned it up to unattractive, old, ugly, sad, which is what you see in the pic I posted 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent [–] CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago You need to work on your prompts. Here's a great example https://petapixel.com/2023/07/26/ai-images-titled-boring-america-photorealism-goes-viral-on-reddit/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 years ago Art is a language. And artists are communicating throught art. You will never be able to communicate your art to an AI with text because it needs art to communicate Atleast thats what i belive permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SgtSilverLining@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 years ago (4 children) this hyper-attractive girl I swear, it's actually really difficult to make ai women that AREN'T yassified. Is all the training data for what "real" women look like from Instagram? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago No, just internet in general. There are a lot of sites/services that put the stereotypical "hot" women in the light and don't even consider anything else. The same way text content is driven by the most vocal people, video are cut/tailored towards hyperactive squirrels, etc. AI just averages all this out and asks you "do you want it tipped a bit this way or that way". (I know it's a gross overgeneralization, but it still stands) Curating the internet as a "sane, balanced" data source raise two main issues : what does "sane / balanced" mean, and how much human power is needed to seep through all the garbage. This is the main reason I'm not too worried about "AI". We will bend the thing to be a useful tool for a lot of usecases by using local training, but unless these two questions gets an appreciable upgrade, having one big "ubiquitous" AI model that will answer every need is not on the horizon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago* Decades before the internet we knew that popular media does not depict actual women and tends to advance distorted ideals of beauty, often converging toward just one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gens@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 3 years ago https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averageness It just happens when you average faces. permalink fedilink source parent [–] birdcat@lemmy.ml [S] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Lol totally! I started with subtle wrinkles around here eyes and gradually tuned it up to unattractive, old, ugly, sad, which is what you see in the pic I posted 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago No, just internet in general. There are a lot of sites/services that put the stereotypical "hot" women in the light and don't even consider anything else. The same way text content is driven by the most vocal people, video are cut/tailored towards hyperactive squirrels, etc. AI just averages all this out and asks you "do you want it tipped a bit this way or that way". (I know it's a gross overgeneralization, but it still stands) Curating the internet as a "sane, balanced" data source raise two main issues : what does "sane / balanced" mean, and how much human power is needed to seep through all the garbage. This is the main reason I'm not too worried about "AI". We will bend the thing to be a useful tool for a lot of usecases by using local training, but unless these two questions gets an appreciable upgrade, having one big "ubiquitous" AI model that will answer every need is not on the horizon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago* Decades before the internet we knew that popular media does not depict actual women and tends to advance distorted ideals of beauty, often converging toward just one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gens@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 3 years ago https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averageness It just happens when you average faces. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] birdcat@lemmy.ml [S] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Lol totally! I started with subtle wrinkles around here eyes and gradually tuned it up to unattractive, old, ugly, sad, which is what you see in the pic I posted 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago You need to work on your prompts. Here's a great example https://petapixel.com/2023/07/26/ai-images-titled-boring-america-photorealism-goes-viral-on-reddit/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 years ago Art is a language. And artists are communicating throught art. You will never be able to communicate your art to an AI with text because it needs art to communicate Atleast thats what i belive permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gon@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago AAAAH!! Yes, that makes sense, thank you~ permalink fedilink source parent