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Telegram CEO Pavel Durov Arrested in France (www.reuters.com)
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[–] 102 points 2 years ago (30 children)

[French media] said the investigation was focused on a lack of moderators on Telegram, and that police considered that this situation allowed criminal activity to go on undeterred on the messaging app.

Europe defending its citizens against the tech giants, I'm sure.

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  • [–] 68 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (19 children)

    There's a lot of really really dark shit on telegram that's for sure, and it's not like signal where they are just a provider. They do have control the content

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    I don't recall CP/gore being readily available on those platforms, it gets reported/removed pretty quickly.

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  • [+] -16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

    Riiight

    Edit: Is telegram really an encrypted messaging app (spoiler: no) get off your high horse defending exiled russian oligarchs in the name of encryption.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    In your head in confirms what you want, because you're biased. You just don't know what "readily available" means. Can't help you there. Your entire article makes my point..

    The content on telegram is there almost indefinitely, and readily available. What youre sharing is almost instant bans, includes also reports to links of suspected activity, not the content directly.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You're not using the right search terms?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    You're young. It really was a thing. It never stayed up long, and they found ways to make it essentially instantaneous, but there was a time it was easy to find very unpleasant things on Facebook, whether you wanted to or not. Gore in specific was easy to run across at one point. CP, it was more offers to sell it.

    They fixed it, and it isn't like that now, but it was a problem in the first year or two.

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  • [+] -13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Haha, young ? i wish. But go on making stuff up.

    So now it's not that it's readily available, it's that it was in the beginning. So everyone is allowed to let CP go in the first years of their platform? Is that what youre going with. Eww

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    So you don't see the difference between the platforms that actually has measures in place to try and prevent it and platforms that intentionally don't have measures in place to try and prevent it?

    Man, Lemmings must be even dumber than Redditors or something

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Safe harbour equivalent rules should apply, no? That is, the platforms should not be held liable as long as the platform does not permit for illegal activities on the platform, offer proper reporting mechanism, and documented workflows to investigate + act against reported activity.

    It feels like a slippery slope to arrest people on grounds of suspicion (until proven otherwise) of lack of moderation.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Telegram does moderation of political content they don't like.

    Also Telegram does have means to control whatever they want.

    And sometimes they also hide certain content from select regions.

    Thus - if they make such decisions, then apparently CP and such are in their interest. Maybe to collect information for blackmail by some special services (Durov went to France from Baku, and Azerbaijan is friendly with Israel, and Mossad is even suspected of being connected to Epstein operation), maybe just for profit.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Do you have any links/sources about this? I'm not saying you’re wrong, I’m just interested

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    No, but they do sometimes delete channels for gore and such. I remember a few Azeri channels being banned for this during/after 2020 war.

    About having means - well, with server-side stored unencrypted everything it's not a question.

    About hiding channels per region by governmental requests - I've heard about that on Lemmy.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Where did you get that the data on the servers are not encrypted?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    You are, ahem, not decrypting it when getting history and not encrypting it when uploading files. That should be sufficient.

    Anyway, look at TG Desktop sources. They are crap, but in general it's clear what happens there. At least that's how I remember it.

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