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[–] 57 points 2 years ago (11 children)

By the nine divines... Why does it take libs 80 years extra to reach the conclusions that Marxists have already described in detail in the last century...

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Most people who were paying attention to the world when 1929 happened and witnessed the consequences up to 1945 are dying now. The people who were paying attention to the world when 2008 happened haven't seen how the story ends.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Mainly because we spent 80 years being told to snitch on our neighbors and that commies are the devil himself come to wipe the world clean of good moral people.

    It's still going to be a long time till Marx is given an objective position in western society, if ever.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (5 children)

    He is not taking a Marxist position. Possibly agreeing with parts of the same analysis as Marx but definitely not the same prescription. Not every criticism of Capitalism is an endorsement of Marxism

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    He is not taking a Marxist position

    Precisely that's why it's taken him 80 years longer than Marxists to reach that conclusion.

    Not every criticism of Capitalism is an endorsement of Marxism

    Which is why non-marxist anti-capitalist movements such as Salvador Allende's socialism in Chile, or Mosaddegh's Iran, inevitably fail within a few years due to the lack of understanding of class struggle and the history of capitalism.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    I take it you have a Marxist state as a counter example showing it's superiority and longevity?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    USSR lasted much longer than Allende's project, and Cuba is still ongoing

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