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JD Vance forgets that the "childless sociopaths" he hates are not just women, accidentally loses the 4Chan vote (hexbear.net)
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[–] 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Completely proactive out-of-nowhere shaming, yeah, for sure. But guys get it too, just as frequently, if it comes up in conversation.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I sort of get what you mean. If a man says that he does not want to have children it gets inconsiderate reactions. But in a patriarchal setting women bear most of the brunt of child birthing and rearing. Men are expected to, I don't know how to phrase it, do the work that is allegedly societally important while the mothers stay at home and look after the children and the home. Deranged republicans abhor the fact that women have the autonomy to reject this sort of setting which is where the shaming stems from. In my opinion.

    Let me know if I am being unclear. I haven't talked about this topic before so I don't know how to articulate my thoughts well.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago*

    What you're saying is entirely correct. But the simple fact of the matter is that men are not having children either. Consider the welfare queens discourse. It's mysoginistic (why not welfare bums?) but it's also aimed at anyone 'not doing their part' by getting a job, paying taxes and so on. This allows everyone from the rural poor to the suburban middle class to see themselves as Not Freeloaders®, and potentially soldier for conservative policies.

    The demographic transition is not like that at all. Nobody is having kids. What tradmorons don't realize is that this isn't ideological. It's not because of Feminism. It's not because of the lower importance of religion. It's not a lack of patriotism. People have lots of kids when it is in their interest to do so. Having lots of kids is everyone's economic strategy in an agrarian, pre industrial society. The same applies to industrial economies characterized by low living standards and dominated by substandard jobs. The US is neither of these things. It has high living standards, it doesn't need extra farmhands or kids to hold onto land, and it's people (middle class and below) aren't hoping that their 3 kids help the family's income by dropping out of school and getting into the gig economy.

    Seriously it takes two to tango and only the wealthy weirdoes cloning themselves for organ replacement think otherwise.

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