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JD Vance forgets that the "childless sociopaths" he hates are not just women, accidentally loses the 4Chan vote (hexbear.net)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/politics@hexbear.net
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[–] 48 points 2 years ago (15 children)

I could be wrong here so I welcome corrections but I feel like this shaming for not wanting children is directed almost entirely towards women.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Completely proactive out-of-nowhere shaming, yeah, for sure. But guys get it too, just as frequently, if it comes up in conversation.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I sort of get what you mean. If a man says that he does not want to have children it gets inconsiderate reactions. But in a patriarchal setting women bear most of the brunt of child birthing and rearing. Men are expected to, I don't know how to phrase it, do the work that is allegedly societally important while the mothers stay at home and look after the children and the home. Deranged republicans abhor the fact that women have the autonomy to reject this sort of setting which is where the shaming stems from. In my opinion.

    Let me know if I am being unclear. I haven't talked about this topic before so I don't know how to articulate my thoughts well.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago*

    What you're saying is entirely correct. But the simple fact of the matter is that men are not having children either. Consider the welfare queens discourse. It's mysoginistic (why not welfare bums?) but it's also aimed at anyone 'not doing their part' by getting a job, paying taxes and so on. This allows everyone from the rural poor to the suburban middle class to see themselves as Not Freeloaders®, and potentially soldier for conservative policies.

    The demographic transition is not like that at all. Nobody is having kids. What tradmorons don't realize is that this isn't ideological. It's not because of Feminism. It's not because of the lower importance of religion. It's not a lack of patriotism. People have lots of kids when it is in their interest to do so. Having lots of kids is everyone's economic strategy in an agrarian, pre industrial society. The same applies to industrial economies characterized by low living standards and dominated by substandard jobs. The US is neither of these things. It has high living standards, it doesn't need extra farmhands or kids to hold onto land, and it's people (middle class and below) aren't hoping that their 3 kids help the family's income by dropping out of school and getting into the gig economy.

    Seriously it takes two to tango and only the wealthy weirdoes cloning themselves for organ replacement think otherwise.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    the shame is but I think there's a clip of Vance arguing that parents (read men) should be able to cast their children's' votes in trust until they are adults and that this should start at birth for reasons unclear

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Cast their children's votes? What does that mean?

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    The idea is basically you have no children, you get one vote. I have two children, I get three votes.

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  • [+] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    wut? the man would cast these votes obviously, there's no argument to be had.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    They have an entirely functional immune system for attacks on men for not wanting children. Think of the way we might react if someone tells us to vote for the lesser of two evils. You get all sorts of

    vitriolwomen have tattoos and are promiscuous, third world women are more caring, the social contract has been broken because they don't get laid and therefore they have no stake, they can't decide whether the powers that be (see: jews) want you to do backbreaking work or want you to be docile so you can be replaced with brown people but either way they're upset.

    in response. They sharpen their axes and practice for such accusations for fun. A news article about unmarried women complaining because of jobless men playing video games is like catnip[1]. One might think that they believe it's funny when women are immature too because there's plenty of humor out there about it, but you'll stumble onto their misogyny complex instead. One might want to find common ground because you and they want America to fail, but the similarities really end there; misogyny is a really big, centralizing, and defining wedge.

    [1] I'll never forget one time I posted on 4chan an entirely crafted, artificial news article on the topic with an inflammatory title to that effect. Maybe 3 of the 70+ responses were asking for the article with one person correctly deducing it was fake. I'll never forget the guy who went "as you get older, you start to realize what's bullshit and what's real" after a paragraph about how journos are snakes.

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