▲ 58 ▼ Safety vests and helmets make cyclists look ‘less human’ to other road users (theconversation.com) submitted 3 years ago by quasar@aussie.zone to c/australia@aussie.zone 74 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) countries with heavy helmet use have more head injuries per 100,000 miles ridden than those with low helmet use. Now compare that to fatalities. There's the answer to your second sentence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah, fatalities also go down. All hospitalizations do. It's not survivor bias, it's a solid inverse correlation between helmet use and injury. Netherlands, Denmark, Japan all have very low helmet use and very low injuries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) The three you just mentioned also have a heavy cyclist culture, and infrastructure in place that facilitates separate biking though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's quite true. And they got that via sustained policy to encourage cycling. It's been quite demonstrated that mandatory helmets actively discourage cycling, leading to both a disinvestment in infrastructure and drivers being less comfortable around cyclists (thus more dangerous) I am not making a point about individual choices. Anyone should feel free to wear a helmet. But public policy is a different beast, and the data on mandatory helmets laws are inconclusive as to benefit and clear as to cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Good lord, no. If having to wear basic safety equipment that literally dons and removes in a split second 'discourages' you from cycling, you are either incredibly vain or outright lying to yourself about the true causes of not riding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoic_sloth@aussie.zone 1 point 3 years ago Most people are vain, yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah, fatalities also go down. All hospitalizations do. It's not survivor bias, it's a solid inverse correlation between helmet use and injury. Netherlands, Denmark, Japan all have very low helmet use and very low injuries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) The three you just mentioned also have a heavy cyclist culture, and infrastructure in place that facilitates separate biking though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's quite true. And they got that via sustained policy to encourage cycling. It's been quite demonstrated that mandatory helmets actively discourage cycling, leading to both a disinvestment in infrastructure and drivers being less comfortable around cyclists (thus more dangerous) I am not making a point about individual choices. Anyone should feel free to wear a helmet. But public policy is a different beast, and the data on mandatory helmets laws are inconclusive as to benefit and clear as to cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Good lord, no. If having to wear basic safety equipment that literally dons and removes in a split second 'discourages' you from cycling, you are either incredibly vain or outright lying to yourself about the true causes of not riding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoic_sloth@aussie.zone 1 point 3 years ago Most people are vain, yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) The three you just mentioned also have a heavy cyclist culture, and infrastructure in place that facilitates separate biking though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's quite true. And they got that via sustained policy to encourage cycling. It's been quite demonstrated that mandatory helmets actively discourage cycling, leading to both a disinvestment in infrastructure and drivers being less comfortable around cyclists (thus more dangerous) I am not making a point about individual choices. Anyone should feel free to wear a helmet. But public policy is a different beast, and the data on mandatory helmets laws are inconclusive as to benefit and clear as to cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Good lord, no. If having to wear basic safety equipment that literally dons and removes in a split second 'discourages' you from cycling, you are either incredibly vain or outright lying to yourself about the true causes of not riding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoic_sloth@aussie.zone 1 point 3 years ago Most people are vain, yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's quite true. And they got that via sustained policy to encourage cycling. It's been quite demonstrated that mandatory helmets actively discourage cycling, leading to both a disinvestment in infrastructure and drivers being less comfortable around cyclists (thus more dangerous) I am not making a point about individual choices. Anyone should feel free to wear a helmet. But public policy is a different beast, and the data on mandatory helmets laws are inconclusive as to benefit and clear as to cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Good lord, no. If having to wear basic safety equipment that literally dons and removes in a split second 'discourages' you from cycling, you are either incredibly vain or outright lying to yourself about the true causes of not riding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoic_sloth@aussie.zone 1 point 3 years ago Most people are vain, yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Good lord, no. If having to wear basic safety equipment that literally dons and removes in a split second 'discourages' you from cycling, you are either incredibly vain or outright lying to yourself about the true causes of not riding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoic_sloth@aussie.zone 1 point 3 years ago Most people are vain, yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stoic_sloth@aussie.zone 1 point 3 years ago Most people are vain, yes. permalink fedilink source parent