▲ 286 ▼ Everything Apple iOS 18 Will Do, Android Already Does (gizmodo.com) submitted 2 years ago by jeffw@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 232 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] pycorax@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (15 children) Android phone makers are shipping on device LLMs? Do people actually want these? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children) Yes, in fact that is the only kind of ai i would ever use and entrust my data to. Not the apple one, but an open source model that is running only on my device and answering only to me; using the data I provide only for my interests? That one I would use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Shawdow194@kbin.run 2 points 2 years ago (10 children) I bet these LLM models wont be 100% locally hosted. I imagine some form of data will be piped back to a cloud server permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] lepinkainen@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) "secure" meaning "apple sees all your data" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't Apple one of these companies that actually does not sell user's data? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago So? I don't want apple themselves knowing my data either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kalleboo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The data is unavailable to Apple. https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just honestly don't believe that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Glytch@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that why there are so many celebrity iCloud leaks floating around the internet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It wasn’t a software issue, but a human issue. People got scammed and gave their logins away. This system is built so that nobody can access it and they’ve went to extreme lengths to make it so. It’s also available for auditing, it hardware and software. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jodanlime@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) LMFAO permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago “It’s a very thoughtful design. Indeed, if you gave an excellent team a huge pile of money and told them to build the best “private” cloud in the world, it would probably look like this.” Matthew D Green, cryptography teacher at Josh Hopkins You can go argue with him if you disagree. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Imprudent3449@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) LLM is AI correct? If my phone is going to do AI at all, I prefer it be done on device for sure. For privacy reasons if nothing else. But it's not anything I've really looked into. I have the S24 and the only AI feature I use is the Circle to search... which I don't consider to be AI. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eiim@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago LLM is a form of AI, specifically the text AIs like ChatGPT that have suddenly made "AI" a dinner table term. AI in some form or another is almost definitely being used in your device - even for things like filling in gaps in low-quality voice calls, and probably has been for a while. But the problem is that unlike those "old" AIs, LLMs require some significant power to run, so running them on phones will probably require meaningful trade-offs. But the increased security is also a meaningful benefit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago They add a kinda nifty "copy subject" option that is supposedly local AI stuff to the samsung gallery, fun to mess with permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children) Yes, in fact that is the only kind of ai i would ever use and entrust my data to. Not the apple one, but an open source model that is running only on my device and answering only to me; using the data I provide only for my interests? That one I would use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Shawdow194@kbin.run 2 points 2 years ago (10 children) I bet these LLM models wont be 100% locally hosted. I imagine some form of data will be piped back to a cloud server permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] lepinkainen@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) "secure" meaning "apple sees all your data" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't Apple one of these companies that actually does not sell user's data? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago So? I don't want apple themselves knowing my data either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kalleboo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The data is unavailable to Apple. https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just honestly don't believe that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Glytch@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that why there are so many celebrity iCloud leaks floating around the internet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It wasn’t a software issue, but a human issue. People got scammed and gave their logins away. This system is built so that nobody can access it and they’ve went to extreme lengths to make it so. It’s also available for auditing, it hardware and software. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jodanlime@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) LMFAO permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago “It’s a very thoughtful design. Indeed, if you gave an excellent team a huge pile of money and told them to build the best “private” cloud in the world, it would probably look like this.” Matthew D Green, cryptography teacher at Josh Hopkins You can go argue with him if you disagree. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shawdow194@kbin.run 2 points 2 years ago (10 children) I bet these LLM models wont be 100% locally hosted. I imagine some form of data will be piped back to a cloud server permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] lepinkainen@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) "secure" meaning "apple sees all your data" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't Apple one of these companies that actually does not sell user's data? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago So? I don't want apple themselves knowing my data either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kalleboo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The data is unavailable to Apple. https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just honestly don't believe that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Glytch@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that why there are so many celebrity iCloud leaks floating around the internet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It wasn’t a software issue, but a human issue. People got scammed and gave their logins away. This system is built so that nobody can access it and they’ve went to extreme lengths to make it so. It’s also available for auditing, it hardware and software. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jodanlime@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) LMFAO permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago “It’s a very thoughtful design. Indeed, if you gave an excellent team a huge pile of money and told them to build the best “private” cloud in the world, it would probably look like this.” Matthew D Green, cryptography teacher at Josh Hopkins You can go argue with him if you disagree. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] lepinkainen@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) "secure" meaning "apple sees all your data" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't Apple one of these companies that actually does not sell user's data? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago So? I don't want apple themselves knowing my data either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kalleboo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The data is unavailable to Apple. https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just honestly don't believe that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Glytch@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that why there are so many celebrity iCloud leaks floating around the internet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It wasn’t a software issue, but a human issue. People got scammed and gave their logins away. This system is built so that nobody can access it and they’ve went to extreme lengths to make it so. It’s also available for auditing, it hardware and software. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jodanlime@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) LMFAO permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago “It’s a very thoughtful design. Indeed, if you gave an excellent team a huge pile of money and told them to build the best “private” cloud in the world, it would probably look like this.” Matthew D Green, cryptography teacher at Josh Hopkins You can go argue with him if you disagree. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) "secure" meaning "apple sees all your data" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't Apple one of these companies that actually does not sell user's data? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago So? I don't want apple themselves knowing my data either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kalleboo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The data is unavailable to Apple. https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just honestly don't believe that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't Apple one of these companies that actually does not sell user's data? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago So? I don't want apple themselves knowing my data either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago So? I don't want apple themselves knowing my data either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kalleboo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The data is unavailable to Apple. https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just honestly don't believe that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I just honestly don't believe that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that why there are so many celebrity iCloud leaks floating around the internet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It wasn’t a software issue, but a human issue. People got scammed and gave their logins away. This system is built so that nobody can access it and they’ve went to extreme lengths to make it so. It’s also available for auditing, it hardware and software. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It wasn’t a software issue, but a human issue. People got scammed and gave their logins away. This system is built so that nobody can access it and they’ve went to extreme lengths to make it so. It’s also available for auditing, it hardware and software. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jodanlime@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) LMFAO permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago “It’s a very thoughtful design. Indeed, if you gave an excellent team a huge pile of money and told them to build the best “private” cloud in the world, it would probably look like this.” Matthew D Green, cryptography teacher at Josh Hopkins You can go argue with him if you disagree. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago “It’s a very thoughtful design. Indeed, if you gave an excellent team a huge pile of money and told them to build the best “private” cloud in the world, it would probably look like this.” Matthew D Green, cryptography teacher at Josh Hopkins You can go argue with him if you disagree. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Imprudent3449@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) LLM is AI correct? If my phone is going to do AI at all, I prefer it be done on device for sure. For privacy reasons if nothing else. But it's not anything I've really looked into. I have the S24 and the only AI feature I use is the Circle to search... which I don't consider to be AI. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eiim@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago LLM is a form of AI, specifically the text AIs like ChatGPT that have suddenly made "AI" a dinner table term. AI in some form or another is almost definitely being used in your device - even for things like filling in gaps in low-quality voice calls, and probably has been for a while. But the problem is that unlike those "old" AIs, LLMs require some significant power to run, so running them on phones will probably require meaningful trade-offs. But the increased security is also a meaningful benefit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago They add a kinda nifty "copy subject" option that is supposedly local AI stuff to the samsung gallery, fun to mess with permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eiim@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago LLM is a form of AI, specifically the text AIs like ChatGPT that have suddenly made "AI" a dinner table term. AI in some form or another is almost definitely being used in your device - even for things like filling in gaps in low-quality voice calls, and probably has been for a while. But the problem is that unlike those "old" AIs, LLMs require some significant power to run, so running them on phones will probably require meaningful trade-offs. But the increased security is also a meaningful benefit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago They add a kinda nifty "copy subject" option that is supposedly local AI stuff to the samsung gallery, fun to mess with permalink fedilink source parent