Honestly, MLs tend to do this with a lot of convos, I feel.
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I've mostly stopped caring since its clear nothing is going to change for the better unless something catastrophic happens first. Like for instance famines and other climate change induced supply chain failures forcing people to fight a government that has nothing left to offer them except violence. I'll still be fighting with CPUSA until I die though.
Collapse has to hit for the west to start considering anything new; and when they do, they'll probably consider fascism first to the exclusion of all else, so you're not wrong. I've hit the doomer streak, and don't really see a way to unflip that switch now that the feedback loops have started. Cosigning ComradeSalad, tho; please pick a better org. I don't trust or expect anything out of CPUSA but tailism to reformists.
Some people may criticize your comment as being doomer-ish, and I understand that sentiment, but I also know that in certain countries, like my own, it really is going to take something catastrophic to push people into fighting for meaningful changes.
I mean, I live in Canada which means people here are incredibly dismissive and complacent (except Indigenous communities) which is going to require something BIG to wake the masses.
Might want to pick a better org.
Why?
The CPUSA leadership are corrupt, backwards, and completely out of touch with their reality as an organization and material reality in the United States.
The only main pushes seem to be for empty electoralism for Democrat politics and never any other substantial effort. The leadership are completely unable to let go of the fact that it’s not the 1960’s-80’s anymore. They are also Pro-Khrushchev and believe in market economics.
The party line is that they are literally opposed to a revolution. They are a liberal shill party that’s an empty shell of its former self, and the positions are extremely idealist and removed from material reality.
COINTELPRO did a number on them? i'd imagine so since that's what the op was created to target
Yeah, I've stopped being angry.
I'm morally opposed to capitalism. That's enough for me. It needs to die, logically. I'm not emotional about it all. I'm methodical.
Oh yeah, and fancy seeing a CPUSA member here. This place is very anti-CPUSA so I generally stick out like a sore thumb.
To anyone saying we're an echo-chamber, I'd point them to you as a great example that we do keep around those we disagree with. Wishing you a pleasant day, American!
Edit: I just had to open my mouth, didn't I?
Well, they're banned now
Guess I spoke too soon, shame
Just a 3day temp ban, tho
How can you see that? I was really liking Makan's effort to generate weekly conversation, then saw yesterday they were banned and had to look back in their history to find this whole thread. I've got no dog in this fight as I'm stuck in a region where our only option is a practically defunct DSA chapter so was just floating through the lefty void.
Gonna check modlog now. Thanks.
It's in the modlog:
https://lemmygrad.ml/modlog
I also like Makan, and think they have great contributions.
I'm not an admin, and can't speak for them. I think there's something to the temp ban, though. Every party in the U$ is bad in some way, and it's poor form not to recognize that in some way.
If Makan had just said, "yeah, they're flawed but they're the only party around me. I like the work we do here", that wouldn't have been a problem.
Just about every criticism that was put forward of CPUSA was warranted (if kind of piled on, and not really relevant to the thread).
Thanks for the link. I admit I'm a fairly quiet DSA member in my area but we def have our flaws too. I am on the mailing list for CPUSA and was looking into starting up a chapter in my area but I'm not sure if the effort that would be needed to put into it would be worth it since it's a Republican stronghold and even the Dem presence is shit here.
Still not justified. “uncivilly defending CPUSA, when everyone else in the conversation had valid points.” Really?
Edit: what baffles me is thinking that banning people will somehow reform them.
Edit2: fixed crucial typo
CPUSA is flawed (like every party in the U$). It's an odd move to act like they're above criticism.
Idk why you'd think a temp ban would have no effect on behavior.
Edit-removed typo correction