"Emmanuel Macron, the French president, has announced that he is dissolving the national assembly, and calling for legislative elections on June 30 and July 7.

The French president said that he can’t pretend nothing has happened, that the outcome of the EU election is not good for his government and that the rise of nationalists is a danger for France and Europe."

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[–] 118 points 2 years ago (20 children)

When people feel ignored in a democratic country, they begin to feel like the democracy they live in is a sham or that democracy itself doesn't work.

Votes like this aren't necessarily about "we need a different direction" and more about desperation and/or anger. They want to show the elites of their country that they still have the power, they want to cost them something for treating the population like it's there to be harvested from, they want to shake up the status quo at all cost.

They want to prove to themselves that their vote still matters.

Letting it get to this point is really bad governance. Once you get here, either they win, or they don't. And of they don't, most of the people who support them have their suspicions confirmed, they don't live in a democracy, they voted and didn't get what they want, again. This creates a division that is difficult to come back from.

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  • [–] 109 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Except the fascists ARE the elites most of the time. This never hurts them. It only hurts themselves.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Exactly. And they won't fix immigration, they'll just enrich themselves as much as they possibly can.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    These right wing parties need migration. Their whole existence depends on there being immigrants to blame so actually closing the borders and "sending them home" is the worst move they can make politically speaking.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    Correct, the next step in the strategy is to blame the immigration on any random external entity (cf Brexit). Eventually this may devolve into full blown war, genocides, etc etc.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Democracy doesn't work when there's rampant misinformation and psyops.

    All the shitheads on facebook are drip-fed russian troll-farm garbage and they eat it up like santa eats up biscuits on christmas eve.

    There are literally no consequences to misinformation and disinformation. A politic can literally say anything and get away with it.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    Well, that's dismissive. You don't think that these people are reacting to genuine concerns they have? Not even some of them, some of their concerns?

    In an environment where nobody controls the information, people will lie. If democracy doesn't work when information flows freely, doesn't that mean democracy doesn't work?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    What do you mean nobody controls the information? We're sitting here talking on lemmy, but most people (or at least most vooters) get their information from capital intensive sources controlled by the ruling class. Television is captured and subject to manipulation, mainstream "algorithmic" social media is captured and subject to manipulation, independent (local) print media is dead. I get really depressed when I think about it

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    So I was responding to the parent statement, he said when there's disinformation democracy doesn't work. Well in order to avoid disinformation, you need strong control of information flow. That sounds a lot like a dictatorship. The people you vote for control what you know about them, that's not democracy. So if democracy doesn't work because people lie, and democracy doesn't work if information is controlled, then democracy doesn't work, right? Interestingly, he confirmed lower in the thread that he does not believe in democracy.

    I'm with you, all news is controlled propaganda. I don't follow any of it as a result. It is sad, but all we can do is try to live in the world we are in. I don't let it get me depressed, I just carry on.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    "Information".

    Are their concerns manufactured? Like "immigration bad", while it's proven that immigration boosts economy? Like "black people bad"?, "Gay bad"?

    Did I miss any of the "concerns" that Afd party is prompting?

    If I tell you that your nose will fall off if you don't give €5, that is not information.

    An environment where no-one controls the information is anarchy. Anarchy is not a democracy, no.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    An anarchy is an environment where no one controls the application of force. Information has nothing to do with it.

    Seems to me you don't like democracy and only use it as a means to an end.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    ...and nobody controls the flow of information.

    I think democracy is shit, when paired with unbridled capitalism and rampant disinformation & misinformation.

    That doesn't mean I have an alternative. But it's definitely not anarchy.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    It is a sham. An arrogant 3rd term fool imported a population increase of 3 percent in 18 months during a housing crisis and can't figure out why people hate him. Successfully lowered wages across the whole country after devaluing the currency intentionally. This is not a mystery why people wants see him at a minimum out of office immediately. I think you all know what a lot actually think should be done with him.

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