▲ 81 ▼ Ok, but how did they recover the mf hijacker passports from 9/11 (hexbear.net) submitted 2 years ago by AcidMarxist@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net 98 comments fedilink hide all child comments They recovered four, three of them AT the crash sites! How. The black boxes didn't even survive.
[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (10 children) Magic. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 15 points 2 years ago (9 children) The magic jet fuel theory permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] aaro@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (8 children) Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams. But metal loses it's strength while retaining its solid phase as it is heated. https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metal-temperature-strength-d_1353.html This is the issue with laypeople speculating on complex engineering failures. The mechanisms of action that one might intuit from looking at a complex systems failure and the ones that actually cause it are oftentimes not related to or even opposite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 6 points 2 years ago (5 children) Does that link talk about the explosions in the basement? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Hey, you know the deal, no investigation, no right to speak. The link doesn't talk about 9/11 at all, it talks about changes in metal strength at different temperatures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ive never heard that turn of phrase, pwease explain it to me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] aaro@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, because that isn't what we were talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 3 points 2 years ago Sorry, i dont debate permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) My favorite comment on this was a blacksmith heating a steel bar to a few hundred degrees and then pushing it around with his pinky. Also, the sheer number of people who don't have any conception of what a blast furnace is or how it works, how oxygen and fire interact. Idk, I always thought the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" thing was absurd on it's face. It's such a silly premise. I've forged metal on backyard wood fires, you just need to set the airflow up to get incredibly hot fires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 15 points 2 years ago (9 children) The magic jet fuel theory permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] aaro@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (8 children) Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams. But metal loses it's strength while retaining its solid phase as it is heated. https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metal-temperature-strength-d_1353.html This is the issue with laypeople speculating on complex engineering failures. The mechanisms of action that one might intuit from looking at a complex systems failure and the ones that actually cause it are oftentimes not related to or even opposite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 6 points 2 years ago (5 children) Does that link talk about the explosions in the basement? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Hey, you know the deal, no investigation, no right to speak. The link doesn't talk about 9/11 at all, it talks about changes in metal strength at different temperatures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ive never heard that turn of phrase, pwease explain it to me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] aaro@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, because that isn't what we were talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 3 points 2 years ago Sorry, i dont debate permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) My favorite comment on this was a blacksmith heating a steel bar to a few hundred degrees and then pushing it around with his pinky. Also, the sheer number of people who don't have any conception of what a blast furnace is or how it works, how oxygen and fire interact. Idk, I always thought the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" thing was absurd on it's face. It's such a silly premise. I've forged metal on backyard wood fires, you just need to set the airflow up to get incredibly hot fires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aaro@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (8 children) Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams. But metal loses it's strength while retaining its solid phase as it is heated. https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metal-temperature-strength-d_1353.html This is the issue with laypeople speculating on complex engineering failures. The mechanisms of action that one might intuit from looking at a complex systems failure and the ones that actually cause it are oftentimes not related to or even opposite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 6 points 2 years ago (5 children) Does that link talk about the explosions in the basement? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Hey, you know the deal, no investigation, no right to speak. The link doesn't talk about 9/11 at all, it talks about changes in metal strength at different temperatures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ive never heard that turn of phrase, pwease explain it to me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] aaro@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, because that isn't what we were talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 3 points 2 years ago Sorry, i dont debate permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) My favorite comment on this was a blacksmith heating a steel bar to a few hundred degrees and then pushing it around with his pinky. Also, the sheer number of people who don't have any conception of what a blast furnace is or how it works, how oxygen and fire interact. Idk, I always thought the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" thing was absurd on it's face. It's such a silly premise. I've forged metal on backyard wood fires, you just need to set the airflow up to get incredibly hot fires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 6 points 2 years ago (5 children) Does that link talk about the explosions in the basement? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Hey, you know the deal, no investigation, no right to speak. The link doesn't talk about 9/11 at all, it talks about changes in metal strength at different temperatures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ive never heard that turn of phrase, pwease explain it to me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] aaro@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, because that isn't what we were talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 3 points 2 years ago Sorry, i dont debate permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Hey, you know the deal, no investigation, no right to speak. The link doesn't talk about 9/11 at all, it talks about changes in metal strength at different temperatures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ive never heard that turn of phrase, pwease explain it to me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ive never heard that turn of phrase, pwease explain it to me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aaro@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, because that isn't what we were talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 3 points 2 years ago Sorry, i dont debate permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net [S] 3 points 2 years ago Sorry, i dont debate permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Frank@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) My favorite comment on this was a blacksmith heating a steel bar to a few hundred degrees and then pushing it around with his pinky. Also, the sheer number of people who don't have any conception of what a blast furnace is or how it works, how oxygen and fire interact. Idk, I always thought the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" thing was absurd on it's face. It's such a silly premise. I've forged metal on backyard wood fires, you just need to set the airflow up to get incredibly hot fires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent