▲ 55 ▼ Why there is so much communist propaganda on lemmy? (feddit.uk) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Vitaly@feddit.uk to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world 342 comments fedilink hide all child comments Even from people that never lived in a communist state edit: im 17 and i hate communism
[+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -45 points 2 years ago (4 children) Yes, but it was not enshittified by capitalism, instead it was the evil corporation that wanted more money permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] i_ben_fine@lemmy.one 36 points 2 years ago (1 child) 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -35 points 2 years ago (4 children) without capitalism this company wouldn't have existed and you could only share you thoughts on one single website. without competition, imagine that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] knightly@pawb.social 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) The internet is a government project. Without "Communism" you wouldn't even have a single website, imagine that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) so your point is that we should not have a choice at all? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knightly@pawb.social 17 points 2 years ago We already don't, our choices are dictated to us by the executive boards that act as America's unelected central planning committees. permalink fedilink source parent [+] orcrist@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Capitalism isn't about competition or the free market or any of that. It's about the idea that there is an ownership class that is entitled to control the flow of wealth because they had some meetings, moved some money around, and now own some buildings they didn't build full of machines they didn't make or move, that produce things they didn't design, test, inspect, or assemble. But they get to decide who gets the benefit of that economic activity (it's them, while those who actually make all that happen get peanuts). A communist economy can reduce redundancies to increase efficiency, but that doesn't mean it can only offer one option for any good or service. Art, variety, and uniqueness can still exist in communist economies, they just wouldn't be gated by ability to afford things but instead by ability to produce things. Star Trek is a communist economy because the replicators can make whatever anyone wants. We don't have the technology for that level of communism and, IMO communism doesn't work very well unless you're in a post-scarcity world, until then I believe it's good to incentivise and reward workers. But even with scarcity, a communist system could make you choose between having a really nice computer vs a really nice bike, and offer less nice options to those that choose the nice other thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] i_ben_fine@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know getting upset means I'm losing, but you're really good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -3 points 2 years ago sorry for making you upset permalink fedilink source parent [–] m13@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago You’re hilarious. Is this a bit? This has to be a bit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Emperor@feddit.uk 27 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pollux@leminal.space 11 points 2 years ago What?? 😭 😭 😭 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] i_ben_fine@lemmy.one 36 points 2 years ago (1 child) 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -35 points 2 years ago (4 children) without capitalism this company wouldn't have existed and you could only share you thoughts on one single website. without competition, imagine that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] knightly@pawb.social 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) The internet is a government project. Without "Communism" you wouldn't even have a single website, imagine that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) so your point is that we should not have a choice at all? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knightly@pawb.social 17 points 2 years ago We already don't, our choices are dictated to us by the executive boards that act as America's unelected central planning committees. permalink fedilink source parent [+] orcrist@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Capitalism isn't about competition or the free market or any of that. It's about the idea that there is an ownership class that is entitled to control the flow of wealth because they had some meetings, moved some money around, and now own some buildings they didn't build full of machines they didn't make or move, that produce things they didn't design, test, inspect, or assemble. But they get to decide who gets the benefit of that economic activity (it's them, while those who actually make all that happen get peanuts). A communist economy can reduce redundancies to increase efficiency, but that doesn't mean it can only offer one option for any good or service. Art, variety, and uniqueness can still exist in communist economies, they just wouldn't be gated by ability to afford things but instead by ability to produce things. Star Trek is a communist economy because the replicators can make whatever anyone wants. We don't have the technology for that level of communism and, IMO communism doesn't work very well unless you're in a post-scarcity world, until then I believe it's good to incentivise and reward workers. But even with scarcity, a communist system could make you choose between having a really nice computer vs a really nice bike, and offer less nice options to those that choose the nice other thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] i_ben_fine@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know getting upset means I'm losing, but you're really good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -3 points 2 years ago sorry for making you upset permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -35 points 2 years ago (4 children) without capitalism this company wouldn't have existed and you could only share you thoughts on one single website. without competition, imagine that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] knightly@pawb.social 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) The internet is a government project. Without "Communism" you wouldn't even have a single website, imagine that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) so your point is that we should not have a choice at all? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knightly@pawb.social 17 points 2 years ago We already don't, our choices are dictated to us by the executive boards that act as America's unelected central planning committees. permalink fedilink source parent [+] orcrist@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Capitalism isn't about competition or the free market or any of that. It's about the idea that there is an ownership class that is entitled to control the flow of wealth because they had some meetings, moved some money around, and now own some buildings they didn't build full of machines they didn't make or move, that produce things they didn't design, test, inspect, or assemble. But they get to decide who gets the benefit of that economic activity (it's them, while those who actually make all that happen get peanuts). A communist economy can reduce redundancies to increase efficiency, but that doesn't mean it can only offer one option for any good or service. Art, variety, and uniqueness can still exist in communist economies, they just wouldn't be gated by ability to afford things but instead by ability to produce things. Star Trek is a communist economy because the replicators can make whatever anyone wants. We don't have the technology for that level of communism and, IMO communism doesn't work very well unless you're in a post-scarcity world, until then I believe it's good to incentivise and reward workers. But even with scarcity, a communist system could make you choose between having a really nice computer vs a really nice bike, and offer less nice options to those that choose the nice other thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] i_ben_fine@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know getting upset means I'm losing, but you're really good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -3 points 2 years ago sorry for making you upset permalink fedilink source parent
[–] knightly@pawb.social 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) The internet is a government project. Without "Communism" you wouldn't even have a single website, imagine that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) so your point is that we should not have a choice at all? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knightly@pawb.social 17 points 2 years ago We already don't, our choices are dictated to us by the executive boards that act as America's unelected central planning committees. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) so your point is that we should not have a choice at all? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knightly@pawb.social 17 points 2 years ago We already don't, our choices are dictated to us by the executive boards that act as America's unelected central planning committees. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] knightly@pawb.social 17 points 2 years ago We already don't, our choices are dictated to us by the executive boards that act as America's unelected central planning committees. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] orcrist@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Capitalism isn't about competition or the free market or any of that. It's about the idea that there is an ownership class that is entitled to control the flow of wealth because they had some meetings, moved some money around, and now own some buildings they didn't build full of machines they didn't make or move, that produce things they didn't design, test, inspect, or assemble. But they get to decide who gets the benefit of that economic activity (it's them, while those who actually make all that happen get peanuts). A communist economy can reduce redundancies to increase efficiency, but that doesn't mean it can only offer one option for any good or service. Art, variety, and uniqueness can still exist in communist economies, they just wouldn't be gated by ability to afford things but instead by ability to produce things. Star Trek is a communist economy because the replicators can make whatever anyone wants. We don't have the technology for that level of communism and, IMO communism doesn't work very well unless you're in a post-scarcity world, until then I believe it's good to incentivise and reward workers. But even with scarcity, a communist system could make you choose between having a really nice computer vs a really nice bike, and offer less nice options to those that choose the nice other thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] i_ben_fine@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know getting upset means I'm losing, but you're really good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -3 points 2 years ago sorry for making you upset permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -3 points 2 years ago sorry for making you upset permalink fedilink source parent
[–] m13@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago You’re hilarious. Is this a bit? This has to be a bit. permalink fedilink source parent