▲ 55 ▼ Why there is so much communist propaganda on lemmy? (feddit.uk) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Vitaly@feddit.uk to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world 342 comments fedilink hide all child comments Even from people that never lived in a communist state edit: im 17 and i hate communism
[–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 54 points 2 years ago (4 children) I've lived all my life under capitalism and I hate it. I've read Marx, (for real, grab the book and read it!) and I see the dude does have a point. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Pascal@lemdro.id 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Communist Manifesto The language can be a bit tough to understand these days though so might want to read Ted Reese's Socialism Or Extinction instead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago I'd recommend Chris Harman's How Marxism Works for an intro, or Engels' Principles of Communism. The Manifesto is more of a call to action for Workers than an overview of Communism, though it's still an important work nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent [–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) How someone can downvote two subjective statements of opinion (hates capitalism, sees a point in a book) is beyond me. There's nothing to downvote here. It's an opinion, not a statement of fact that is incorrect. People misuse downvotes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] orcrist@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago My approach is to only downvote factual inaccuracies or extremely terrible takes. I know that's not for everyone, but I wish it was. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ironfist@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) I thought the same many years ago, until I saw how it went for every single country that implemented communism and then I didnt like it so much. You all seriously think is a coincidence? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You gotta look the context and learn about geopolitics. If Communism is so bad why the USA need to keep interfering with Cuba? Lets compare Cuba with other Caribbean islands, how they perform against those? Remember they are blocked by the strongest country in the world. Cuba developed its own covid vaccine, cuba sends doctors to africa in order to help people there, when Italia was in a health crisis Cuba sent thousands of doctors. Cuba has the most advanced and inclusive family laws in the world. Edit: btw Awesome album and Lemmy was an Anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ironfist@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago First than anything, great taste in music my dude. Ok, fair point, these countries have it hard because of economic sanctions, but that doesn't explain why they all devolve into a tyrannical, corrupt and repressive systems where people are forced to stay and a great majority seems to want to leave. People just don't have free will and freedom of speech in these places. Is not a coincidence, its by design, communism is intentionally "the dictatorship of the working class". And don't get me wrong, I dislike very much the unregulated capitalistic system of the USA too, yet a lot of people in the world seem to want to live there instead of any communist country. If I those were my only options, I would hate it, but I would choose the same. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago Not really surprising, it’s complicated to make progress when every world power has it out for you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I don’t blame the chef when I can’t understand the recipe. I learn what the ingredients are. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -25 points 2 years ago (6 children) I strongly recommend you to read Animal Farm, it's very easy to understand permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] knightly@pawb.social 30 points 2 years ago* You mean Orwell's classic anti-capitalist novel wherein a worker's rebellion against tyrannical bosses is betrayed by capitalist pigs who re-create the farm's original conditions for their own profit? You should read his "Homage to Catalonia", Orwell fought against capitalists in Spain's civil war and wrote a book about his experiences there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) oh you are 17. When I was 17 I also was just like you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also disliked communism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 2 years ago When I was 17? Hell yeah, with the information I had back then. I was super conservative lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago I’ve read it. Orwell was socialist my dude. Ever read one of his other books Down and Out in Paris and London? It helps explain why he is a socialist. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I recommend actually reading Marx and Lenin, and not fictitious allegories about strawmen permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) allegories are much better at explaining theories, you guys always say that it was never actually implemented. And I'm not gonna read something from a man who occupied my country in 1921 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Allegories can help explain theories, but they are never sufficient to understand it. Animal Farm is an allegory of a strawman, it barely touches reality. And it’s no wonder you are that embedded in propaganda, it’s normal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 0 points 2 years ago I did and it is stupid propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sagittarii@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago I recommend you learn from real books about real life like those of Marx and Lenin, not fiction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pascal@lemdro.id 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Communist Manifesto The language can be a bit tough to understand these days though so might want to read Ted Reese's Socialism Or Extinction instead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago I'd recommend Chris Harman's How Marxism Works for an intro, or Engels' Principles of Communism. The Manifesto is more of a call to action for Workers than an overview of Communism, though it's still an important work nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago I'd recommend Chris Harman's How Marxism Works for an intro, or Engels' Principles of Communism. The Manifesto is more of a call to action for Workers than an overview of Communism, though it's still an important work nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) How someone can downvote two subjective statements of opinion (hates capitalism, sees a point in a book) is beyond me. There's nothing to downvote here. It's an opinion, not a statement of fact that is incorrect. People misuse downvotes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] orcrist@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago My approach is to only downvote factual inaccuracies or extremely terrible takes. I know that's not for everyone, but I wish it was. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] orcrist@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago My approach is to only downvote factual inaccuracies or extremely terrible takes. I know that's not for everyone, but I wish it was. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago My approach is to only downvote factual inaccuracies or extremely terrible takes. I know that's not for everyone, but I wish it was. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ironfist@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) I thought the same many years ago, until I saw how it went for every single country that implemented communism and then I didnt like it so much. You all seriously think is a coincidence? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You gotta look the context and learn about geopolitics. If Communism is so bad why the USA need to keep interfering with Cuba? Lets compare Cuba with other Caribbean islands, how they perform against those? Remember they are blocked by the strongest country in the world. Cuba developed its own covid vaccine, cuba sends doctors to africa in order to help people there, when Italia was in a health crisis Cuba sent thousands of doctors. Cuba has the most advanced and inclusive family laws in the world. Edit: btw Awesome album and Lemmy was an Anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ironfist@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago First than anything, great taste in music my dude. Ok, fair point, these countries have it hard because of economic sanctions, but that doesn't explain why they all devolve into a tyrannical, corrupt and repressive systems where people are forced to stay and a great majority seems to want to leave. People just don't have free will and freedom of speech in these places. Is not a coincidence, its by design, communism is intentionally "the dictatorship of the working class". And don't get me wrong, I dislike very much the unregulated capitalistic system of the USA too, yet a lot of people in the world seem to want to live there instead of any communist country. If I those were my only options, I would hate it, but I would choose the same. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago Not really surprising, it’s complicated to make progress when every world power has it out for you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I don’t blame the chef when I can’t understand the recipe. I learn what the ingredients are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You gotta look the context and learn about geopolitics. If Communism is so bad why the USA need to keep interfering with Cuba? Lets compare Cuba with other Caribbean islands, how they perform against those? Remember they are blocked by the strongest country in the world. Cuba developed its own covid vaccine, cuba sends doctors to africa in order to help people there, when Italia was in a health crisis Cuba sent thousands of doctors. Cuba has the most advanced and inclusive family laws in the world. Edit: btw Awesome album and Lemmy was an Anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ironfist@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago First than anything, great taste in music my dude. Ok, fair point, these countries have it hard because of economic sanctions, but that doesn't explain why they all devolve into a tyrannical, corrupt and repressive systems where people are forced to stay and a great majority seems to want to leave. People just don't have free will and freedom of speech in these places. Is not a coincidence, its by design, communism is intentionally "the dictatorship of the working class". And don't get me wrong, I dislike very much the unregulated capitalistic system of the USA too, yet a lot of people in the world seem to want to live there instead of any communist country. If I those were my only options, I would hate it, but I would choose the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ironfist@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago First than anything, great taste in music my dude. Ok, fair point, these countries have it hard because of economic sanctions, but that doesn't explain why they all devolve into a tyrannical, corrupt and repressive systems where people are forced to stay and a great majority seems to want to leave. People just don't have free will and freedom of speech in these places. Is not a coincidence, its by design, communism is intentionally "the dictatorship of the working class". And don't get me wrong, I dislike very much the unregulated capitalistic system of the USA too, yet a lot of people in the world seem to want to live there instead of any communist country. If I those were my only options, I would hate it, but I would choose the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago Not really surprising, it’s complicated to make progress when every world power has it out for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I don’t blame the chef when I can’t understand the recipe. I learn what the ingredients are. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -25 points 2 years ago (6 children) I strongly recommend you to read Animal Farm, it's very easy to understand permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] knightly@pawb.social 30 points 2 years ago* You mean Orwell's classic anti-capitalist novel wherein a worker's rebellion against tyrannical bosses is betrayed by capitalist pigs who re-create the farm's original conditions for their own profit? You should read his "Homage to Catalonia", Orwell fought against capitalists in Spain's civil war and wrote a book about his experiences there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) oh you are 17. When I was 17 I also was just like you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also disliked communism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 2 years ago When I was 17? Hell yeah, with the information I had back then. I was super conservative lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago I’ve read it. Orwell was socialist my dude. Ever read one of his other books Down and Out in Paris and London? It helps explain why he is a socialist. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I recommend actually reading Marx and Lenin, and not fictitious allegories about strawmen permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) allegories are much better at explaining theories, you guys always say that it was never actually implemented. And I'm not gonna read something from a man who occupied my country in 1921 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Allegories can help explain theories, but they are never sufficient to understand it. Animal Farm is an allegory of a strawman, it barely touches reality. And it’s no wonder you are that embedded in propaganda, it’s normal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 0 points 2 years ago I did and it is stupid propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sagittarii@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago I recommend you learn from real books about real life like those of Marx and Lenin, not fiction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] knightly@pawb.social 30 points 2 years ago* You mean Orwell's classic anti-capitalist novel wherein a worker's rebellion against tyrannical bosses is betrayed by capitalist pigs who re-create the farm's original conditions for their own profit? You should read his "Homage to Catalonia", Orwell fought against capitalists in Spain's civil war and wrote a book about his experiences there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) oh you are 17. When I was 17 I also was just like you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also disliked communism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 2 years ago When I was 17? Hell yeah, with the information I had back then. I was super conservative lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also disliked communism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 2 years ago When I was 17? Hell yeah, with the information I had back then. I was super conservative lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 2 years ago When I was 17? Hell yeah, with the information I had back then. I was super conservative lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago I’ve read it. Orwell was socialist my dude. Ever read one of his other books Down and Out in Paris and London? It helps explain why he is a socialist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I recommend actually reading Marx and Lenin, and not fictitious allegories about strawmen permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) allegories are much better at explaining theories, you guys always say that it was never actually implemented. And I'm not gonna read something from a man who occupied my country in 1921 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Allegories can help explain theories, but they are never sufficient to understand it. Animal Farm is an allegory of a strawman, it barely touches reality. And it’s no wonder you are that embedded in propaganda, it’s normal. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Vitaly@feddit.uk [S] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) allegories are much better at explaining theories, you guys always say that it was never actually implemented. And I'm not gonna read something from a man who occupied my country in 1921 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Allegories can help explain theories, but they are never sufficient to understand it. Animal Farm is an allegory of a strawman, it barely touches reality. And it’s no wonder you are that embedded in propaganda, it’s normal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Allegories can help explain theories, but they are never sufficient to understand it. Animal Farm is an allegory of a strawman, it barely touches reality. And it’s no wonder you are that embedded in propaganda, it’s normal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 0 points 2 years ago I did and it is stupid propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sagittarii@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago I recommend you learn from real books about real life like those of Marx and Lenin, not fiction. permalink fedilink source parent