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In America? Most high paying jobs are extremely close to the literal military, extremely violent financial/economic violence interally, or imperialism
Then perhaps they should design highways for the city. I’m looking at random locations in states that aren’t known for their tech industry, and I’m finding a bunch of non military shit. There are jobs where you travel from location to location and handle IT matters. There are customer service jobs, development jobs for telecoms. I say this as a CS major without a career yet: tough shit. STEM fuckers are some of the laziest, most entitled bastards
customer service does not pay a livable wage. and you need like a couple handful of people to design a highway
yea, probably cause you didn't choose to sell out right?
You're just supporting my argument that almost the entire portion of American jobs that pay a good wage is in the business of the worst types of exploitation. Is that really that surprising by far the largest empire on this planet has a crap load of evil jobs?
I'm also curious how it was decided these jobs were non-military. Like how many steps removed is good enough? If they do business with / are a vendor for Honeywell but don't directly sell to the DoD is that OK or is that complicity? What if it is a small portion of the business but you don't work on it?
There's entire fields/industries that probably can't get removed from this, and while it is fine to say people shouldn't support them it really comes across more as blinders on how extensive this is.
Define high paying because my initial reaction to this is that it’s a huge exaggeration
Can afford to rent a 1 bedroom apartment <= 30 minute commute from work at <30% after taxes
If a car is necessary, then add all the costs associated with that to the rent
I think this is reasonable, spending 25% on rent is still an absurd amount of money
Spending 25% on rent is a ridiculous impossible fantasy for most people (if they can even afford rent)
I know that's the point of the argument I'm making that the very few jobs that allow for that are very close to systems of extreme exploitation
It seems like you’re making two separate arguments. One is that economic safety is rare and gatekept behind exploitative work. The other is that exploitative work makes up the majority of comfortable American jobs. I don’t disagree with your larger point. I just think there’s a middle ground where you can live in what most of the world would consider luxury and not be directly contributing to violence at home or abroad. All existence in the imperial core benefits from imperialism, but there’s still a difference between, for example, being a teacher in the imperial core and working in the factory that manufactures airplanes for the military. And depending on where you live, many teachers are indeed living in what much of the world would consider luxury thanks to imperialism.
I could do it right now if I started working for the ammo and bomb factory
It’s really not an exaggeration. I can go into detail but you’re not going to like it.
I think it’s an ambiguous point as I’ve explained above. But sure yeah go for it. I’ll be happy to admit if you shock or surprise me.
No I read your other comment.
I already know this is where we’re going to differ because imho this is a useless point that doesn’t really help anyone because…
Like okay let’s just stretch the word luxury until the seams rip. You can always find some random position somewhere where someone is making fine money, but that obfuscates the reality where, no, teachers as a whole are not doing fine. There are not plentiful jobs that are paying well for the masses of people and those that have them are usually assisting in direct exploitation of the third world. This isn’t controversial unless you have no idea what living in the US is actually like.
I could more than double my pay tomorrow if I went to go work for the bullet and bomb factory down the road. If you don't have a college degree, everything that pays well is adjacent to military industrial or is the military. The biggest building in many rural towns is the army recruitment building.
This is the reality of living in the US. You either break you back from bullshit job to bullshit job, you go to college to get a good paying job doing nothing at best or exploitation at worst, you work for a military adjacent company, or you join the military. There is always an exception to the rule, but it always reinforces the point.