For context, the PSU student council and elected body has had a resolution calling for PSU to divest from Boeing and cut all relationships since 2021, which the administration has ignored. It is the ‘democratic’ will of the student to cut ties with Boeing but you wouldn’t know that by all the kvetching and moaning in these threads and on the PSU subreddit

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[–] 49 points 2 years ago (16 children)

There are many steps in between “poverty job” and making bombs and fighter jets. Those who flock to weapons companies are either lazy and/or fascists. Simple as.

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    Then perhaps they should design highways for the city. I’m looking at random locations in states that aren’t known for their tech industry, and I’m finding a bunch of non military shit. There are jobs where you travel from location to location and handle IT matters. There are customer service jobs, development jobs for telecoms. I say this as a CS major without a career yet: tough shit. STEM fuckers are some of the laziest, most entitled bastards

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    I'm also curious how it was decided these jobs were non-military. Like how many steps removed is good enough? If they do business with / are a vendor for Honeywell but don't directly sell to the DoD is that OK or is that complicity? What if it is a small portion of the business but you don't work on it?

    There's entire fields/industries that probably can't get removed from this, and while it is fine to say people shouldn't support them it really comes across more as blinders on how extensive this is.

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    Spending 25% on rent is a ridiculous impossible fantasy for most people (if they can even afford rent)

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    It’s really not an exaggeration. I can go into detail but you’re not going to like it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    No I read your other comment.

    I just think there’s a middle ground where you can live in what most of the world would consider luxury and not be directly contributing to violence at home or abroad.

    I already know this is where we’re going to differ because imho this is a useless point that doesn’t really help anyone because…

    And depending on where you live, many teachers are indeed living in what much of the world would consider luxury thanks to imperialism.

    Like okay let’s just stretch the word luxury until the seams rip. You can always find some random position somewhere where someone is making fine money, but that obfuscates the reality where, no, teachers as a whole are not doing fine. There are not plentiful jobs that are paying well for the masses of people and those that have them are usually assisting in direct exploitation of the third world. This isn’t controversial unless you have no idea what living in the US is actually like.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I could more than double my pay tomorrow if I went to go work for the bullet and bomb factory down the road. If you don't have a college degree, everything that pays well is adjacent to military industrial or is the military. The biggest building in many rural towns is the army recruitment building.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    This is the reality of living in the US. You either break you back from bullshit job to bullshit job, you go to college to get a good paying job doing nothing at best or exploitation at worst, you work for a military adjacent company, or you join the military. There is always an exception to the rule, but it always reinforces the point.

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    I have no idea why this comment has so many upvotes. This is not a dig on you personally at all, but straight up, no there isn’t any steps between poverty jobs and jobs that are directly tied to the MIC/ the energy sector. Most jobs outside of that is food service, retail, warehouse work, package delivery etc. even the trades are not safe from this since I worked as an HVAC tech and A LOT of shit is straight up made by DUPONT, Raytheon, 3M and their subsidiaries and I can’t imagine this isn’t the same with other trades. If you’re not doing these kind of jobs then what exactly are you doing that your able to not working for fascist and also making a good wage?

    I’m not trying to rant or anything but I could literally sit here and reply for days on this very subject.

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