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Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving linked to hundreds of crashes, dozens of deaths (www.theverge.com)
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[–] 29 points 2 years ago (19 children)

It’s not even the closest thing to self driving on the market, Mercedes has started selling a car that doesn’t require you to look at the road.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    Only works under 40 mph. Only available in 2 states. Not available until the end of this year.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42672470/2024-mercedes-benz-eqs-s-class-drive-pilot-autonomous-us-debut/

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago

    But it works and it's hands off. Tesla can't even legally do that under any condition.

    And fuck you if you ask Tesla to pay for any mistakes their software might make. It is ALWAYS your fault.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    So, greater than any speed on a Tesla and available in more states?

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  • [+] -25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

    Might want to check your facts there. FSD works anywhere in the US, both cities and highways. Even on unmapped roads and parking lots.

    "Fuck this guy for bringing facts into our circlejerk" - The downvoters, probably

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    Oops, you fell for the Tesla marketing BS. FSD isn't actually full self driving like the Mercedes system. With Tesla, you have to keep your hands on the wheel at all times and pay close attention to the road. You are completely responsible for anything that happens. Mercedes takes responsibility for any accidents their software causes.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    What Tesla is (falsely IMO) advertising as "full self driving" is available in all new Mercedes vehicles as well and works anywhere in the US.

    Mercedes is in the news for expanding that functionality to a level where they are willing to take liability if the vehicle causes a crash during this new mode. Tesla does not do that.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

    works anywhere in the US

    The system Mercedes is using is extremely limited and hardly compareable to FSD in any way.

    Drivers can activate Mercedes’s technology, called Drive Pilot, when certain conditions are met, including in heavy traffic jams, during the daytime, on spec ific California and Nevada freeways, and when the car is traveling less than 40 mph. Drivers can focus on other activities until the vehicle alerts them to resume control. The technology does not work on roads that haven’t been pre-approved by Mercedes, including on freeways in other states.

    Source

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    If I understand that person correctly, you are confusing the two systems.

    Mercedes has two systems. One of a driver assist system that does everything the current version of FSD can do. It is unlimited in the same way that Tesla's FSD is unlimited.

    They have an additional system, that you cite, that is Level 3, a true hands-off self-driving system. It is geographically limited.

    So, the question is, does Tesla have any areas where you can legally drive hands free using their software?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That is the new system. Tesla has no equivalent to it. Or to phrase it differently:

    Drivers can not activate teslas’s equivalent technology, no matter what conditions are met, including not in heavy traffic jams, not during the daytime, not on spec ific California and Nevada freeways, and not when the car is traveling less than 40 mph. Drivers can never focus on other activities. The technology does not exist in Tesla vehicles

    If you are talking about automatic lane change, auto park, etc (what tesla calls autopilot or full self driving) these are all features you can find in most if not all high end cars nowadays.

    The new system gets press coverage, because as I understand it, if there is an accident while the system is engaged Mercedes will assume financial and legal responsibility and e.g. cover all expenses that result from said accident. Tesla doesn't do that.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I genuinely have no idea what you're on about. YouTube is full of videos of Teslas driving by themselves in cities, highways, parking lots, construction zones etc. To claim that this is something "most high end cars can do" is a blatant lie. Tesla is the only company in the world that offers a system like that.

    There is nothing Drive Pilot can do that FSD can't but there's a ton of stuff FSD can do and Drive Pilot can't. Yeah the Tesla driver is still ultimately responsible because FSD is level 2 and Drive Pilot is level 3, but it doesn't take a genious to figure out why it's easier for the company to take responsibility for something that is essentially a train rather than something that gives you full freedom to go anywhere.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    I would much rather use FSD that is limited to routes and conditions where the developers and testers agree that it's safe.

    Compared to a company that says "everything works", and "those drivers that got killed must have been doing something wrong".

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    When you stop using the Tesla kool-aid marketing terms and start to understand the actual state of the technology and more importantly legislation, we might start to listen to what you are trying to say. Hint: using the term “FSD” or “Autopilot” is an immediate disqualifier

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    Because they're doing shit responsibly.

    For the target audience they chose that thing is a fucking bargain. Do you know how many people making damn good money sit in hours of 4 lane bumper to bumper traffic every day? "You don't have to drive and we assume liability if our system fucks up" is a massive value add.

    (Not enough that I'd ever consider dealing with that kind of commute no matter what you paid me. But still.)

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Level 3 in the S-Class and EQS has been available since may 2022. And the speed limit is there because that is part of a UN regulation that the Mercedes is certified for. The regulation has been updated since the release of Mercedes Drive Pilot to allow speeds up to 140km/h but Mercedes needs to recertify for that.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Still the most advanced system that is legal to use on public roads, worldwide. Tesla’s most advanced system is many leagues below that, so not sure why it’s so hard to believe for some people that Tesla is nothing but an also-ran.

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