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France votes to ban ‘forever chemicals,’ exempting frying pans (www.politico.eu)
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The French National Assembly on Thursday unanimously adopted a bill aimed at restricting the manufacture and sale of products containing per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances — also known as PFAS or “forever chemicals.” The MPs, backed by the government, voted to exclude kitchen utensils from the scope of the text.

Thanks to an intense lobbying push, manufacturers of frying pans and saucepans — including the SEB group, which owns Tefal — are exempt from this ban under the proposed law penned by French Green MPs.

Majority groups initially tried to delay the ban on kitchen utensils until 2030 — a timetable refused by the French Green MPs who instead suggested an exemption until 2026.

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[–] 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children)

So you are worried about soap affecting the seaosning on your cast iron, but are fine with stainless steel utensils stripping it all off?

No I'm not worried. Stripping or weakening patina is a thing that should be avoided but occasionally happens. Taking care of the patina is a matter of convenience, comparable to cleaning your plates before they're crusty: Both situations can be fixed, by re-seasoning and heavy scrubbing respectively.

You wouldn’t wash your plates and dishes with just hot water and some light scrubbing, so don’t wash your pans that way.

First off yes I do if there's no grease to get off, secondly plates and dishes don't get heat-sterilised on every use.

Modern dish soap wont do anything to harm your pans and even extend the longevity since they take off leftover food particles that house all sorts of microbes.

Dish soap is good against fat, it allows it to enter emulsion with water. It does nothing to starches which are already perfectly soluble in water, and preciously little to proteins which tend to have quite good solubility in water.

Not using soap has two principal reasons: a) it's unnecessary, boiling water already takes everything off but the grease and b) I'm going to add some oil afterwards anyway why take off all the grease? If I'm just a bit lucky I don't need that extra drop of oil at all what stays on the pan is sufficient.

all sorts of microbes.

Oh no! Do you have allergies? Other kinds of autoimmune disorders? I don't. You can bet your ass that I scrub everything that has touched raw meat thoroughly (short of the pan that gets sterilised by frying), but don't expect me to use soap on a plate with breadcrumbs and a spot of jam on it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Microbes dont just make you sick by infections. They produce plenty of nasty toxins,most famously botulism, that make you ill, and only incineration is hot enough to make them safe. There is no extra effort to wash your plates and dishes with a little soap, and plenty of downsides not to.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Most famously clostridium botulinum is an anaerobic bacterium: It can't live in the presence of oxygen (though the spores are ludicrously hardy, yes). You should be more worried about your bottles of oil than your plates. Especially if you put chilli or basil or garlic or such in that oil, that's when you actually need to worry: Anerobic environment, food for the bacterium, also, source for the bacterium (if you're unlucky). That's why one shouldn't keep pesto Genoese around for too long, eat it before c. botulinum had time to produce non-negligible amounts of toxin, whether it happens to be in your pesto or not.

    Don't pretend like you know what you're talking about that's some true-crime level of bug paranoia you have there.

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