It would make sense if, thanks to this propaganda, people actually enjoyed good living conditions. But when they barely have enough to survive—even in Western countries—how could they not question the system and realize that capitalism is total crap?

Yes, but what makes this propaganda so effective? Is it because people lack critical thinking, or knowledge about capitalism/imperialism/communism? What would it take to enable people to form their own opinions?

OK, but what makes propaganda so effective? Is it because people lack critical thinking, or knowledge about capitalism/imperialism/communism?

OK, but why is that? What makes propaganda so effective? Is it because people lack critical thinking, or knowledge about capitalism/imperialism/communism?

Thank you for your great answer again.

In my experience, many people simply want the government to improve their living conditions—whether through higher wages or lower prices. In other words, they seek to improve capitalism rather than replace the economic system entirely with something better. You are right: most Western proletarians do not actively challenge their state’s imperialist stance. But even so, why don’t they want to nationalize their largest corporations, instead of just raising their tax for example?

Thank you for your answer.

For the West, I understand your point, even though there is still a large portion of the population that barely earns enough to live decently. In my country, this mainly affects the younger generation and single parents. However, they blame the government more than capitalism, which I don’t understand.

I agree with you, but I still have 2 concerns:

• If we don't immediately distribute the power after obtaining it, there might be a risk of hijacking
• If we don't provide a clear enough vision to the masses, could we really convince public opinion to destroy the current system and jump into "the unknown"?

No, I entirely agree with you. Capitalism doesn't optimize for the future, it's kind of the opposite. I was just wondering if communism proposed a specific method to address this problem on a large scale.

sometimes everyone doesn't always get their own personal bathroom or whatever. You collectively make decisions on who gets what.

Absolutely, but in this case, the total number of bathrooms and the number of people living in the household are usually known, and the decision only needs to be made once. This becomes much trickier when the total amount of resource is unknown, and the needs for the resource evolves unpredictably over time. Even for a single person, there is no way to compute the optimal amount of a limited resource that can be consumed now for comfort after satisfying basic needs if the same resource might be required to meet future unpredictable needs. I think the corresponding scientific model would be the "online resource allocation problem".

communism will take hundreds and hundreds of years to successfully develop

This depresses me. We need communism now.

I agree with you. We can't get it perfect ahead of time, it will most likely be an iterative process of improvement. But if we suddenly dismantle the current system now, my fear is that without broad consensus, however vague, society will divide. People might have concerns, uncertainties, or misunderstandings about the new system that we could have addressed earlier, which could prevent them from cooperating and leave us vulnerable to a counter-offensive or takeovers. This is even more of a major problem if the first country to do so is under significant pressure from other governments.

Again, I do believe that people will be able to collectively decide how to meet their needs. My question is about preferences, not needs. Specifically when satisfying those preferences requires limited resources, and might have complex, unexpected consequences on the overall supply chain. As @burlemarx@lemmygrad.ml said, this could lead to conflict if preferences are unequally satisfied. I was wondering if there are ways to avoid them, or at least prevent these conflicts from escalating.

I understand, thank you.

Our immediate task is to dismantle the neo-liberal financial system

Why do you think we don't need a more precise idea of ​​the society we want to build first? Without prior mass consensus on the model to be implemented, how can we ensure that it will not end up with a system as bad or worse than the current one?