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[–] 268 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Can the US Lawmakers do anything about the US companies harvesting my data and selling it off… please?

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  • [–] 208 points 2 years ago (26 children)

    So when do they plan to do something about those domestic businesses trying to manipulate citizens of America?

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  • [–] 118 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Capitalism abusing citizens? Just fine.

    "Communism" abusing citizens? Avengers, assemble!

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    They're prospective communists. Supposedly they're going to get there by 2050, but they just built a new massive luxury tower for their ultra wealthy so...

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  • [–] 59 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I mean, the domestic businesses are the ones who own Congress and are using it to get rid of a competitor.

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    [–] 151 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Whatever Tiktok is doing, the correct response is to write enforcable laws to prevent ANY company from doing what Tiktok is doing.

    This is bad governance.

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    [–] 96 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    This was a committee vote. The bill now must advance to the floor, pass a vote there, then go through the same process in the Senate.

    Many bills are passed out of committee but are never given an actual vote.

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    [–] 74 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I wonder if this could also be applied to games owned in whole or part by Tencent...

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    [–] 65 points 2 years ago (63 children)

    Many users called lawmakers' offices to complain, congressional staffers told Politico. "It's so so bad. Our phones have not stopped ringing. They're teenagers and old people saying they spend their whole day on the app and we can't take it away," one House GOP staffer was quoted as saying.

    and they still voted 50-0. really tells you something about how much these politicians are willing to listen to their constituents.

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  • [–] 51 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (47 children)

    It was a 50-0 to pass the commission and then go to the House floor for a vote and then the Senate for a vote and finally signed into law by the president unless he vetoes it, which is possible imo.

    Honestly, teenagers and old people are the sorts of folks that need to be protected from themselves, I might just call in to my local representative to voice my support of forced sale, operating restrictions, or even outright ban.

    EDIT: I sent him an email.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (15 children)

    what are you even trying to say here? that it’s okay for politicians to ignore entire demographics? or that it’s only okay for them to ignore entire demographics if, ultimately, it’s left up to a different group of politicians to pass the law?

    i don’t use tiktok or have any interest in the app itself, but it’s still very alarming to see a vote go through 50-0 despite a “nonstop” flood of calls opposing it.

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    [–] 54 points 2 years ago (56 children)

    Tik Tok pushes so much toxic content towards children and teenagers it should be shut down in my opinion.

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    [–] 46 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Good. Fuck them and all social media controlled by any big mega corp. But fuck the CCP especially.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The fucked up thing is they don’t seem to have a problem with rich 1%ers owning and manipulating millions of people. Only when it’s the Chinese. Facebook, Twitter, instagram are just as harmful. Although the delivery method of the content isn’t exactly “tailored” on those services like TikTok. I dunno how I feel about this. I mean, I think all social media services should die out. This just seems like an uneven hand.

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    It can still be successful elsewhere. It's clearly about data sharing.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

    I think here the point is that the US government seems to be not bothered by Meta's data collection which by the way has already been used by Cambridge Analytica to swing elections in favour of one of the opponents and most likely used on countless more occasions but it is now super worried about Tiktok.

    And what did they do against Meta? To the best of my knowledge nothing effective.

    If they do this they should apply the same measures against Meta and other companies but they don't. Which is disturbing.

    Same with Gaza and Israel. Hamas kills around less than 1 K civilians (mind you a lot of the killed on that first day were military), it is utter tragedy. Israel kills 30+K people, starves the local population, destroys almost completely the infrastructure and their homes and it is business as usual. And every now and then they are scorned to please their voting base while weapon sales to Israel are continuing. Replace Israel with Russia/NK/China or any other country the US considers hostile and they will have them sanctioned to hell, but since it is Israel, nothing of this is happening.

    At least have the fucking decency not to have double standards, because the rest of the world isn't blind or stupid.

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    [–] 43 points 2 years ago* (8 children)

    I dislike TikTok as much as the next guy, but I think there are several issues with this bill:

    • It specifically mentions TikTok and ByteDance. While none of the provisions seem to apply exclusively to them, the way they are included would give them no recourse to petition this, the way other companies would be able to (ie, other companies could argue in court that they aren't controlled by a foreign adversary, but TikTok can't. The bill literally defines "foreign adversary controlled application" as "TikTok, or ..." (g.3.A)). It also gives the appearance that this law is only supposed to apply to them, which isn't what it says but it might be treated that way anyway.

    • It leaves the determination of whether or not a company is "controlled by a foreign adversary" entirely up to the president. He has to explain himself to Congress, but doesn't need their approval. That seems ripe for exploitation. I think it should require Congress to approve, either in a addition to or instead of the president.

    • According to g.2.A.ii (in the definition of "covered company"), the law only applies to social media with more than 1,000,000 monthly active users. Not sure why that's included.

    • There is a specific exemption for any app that's for posting reviews (g.2.B). I'm guessing one such company paid a whole lot to just not have this apply to them.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    According to g.2.A.ii (in the definition of “covered company”), the law only applies to social media with more than 1,000,000 monthly active users. Not sure why that’s included.

    I'm glad clauses like this are common. We don't want some teenager who wants to experiment with creating a "social media" website for his friends to have the full weight of the law immediately fall on their shoulders. People should be free to create website with minimal legal requirements, especially if it's a small website.

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    [–] 42 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Bytedance needs to figure out which congresspeople Meta has been bribing.

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    [–] 42 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So TikTok is sending out app notifications that they are at risk of being shut down and urging their users to call their representatives right now. They are not going down without a fight.

    The 165 days time limit would land the deadline in August-ish, right before the most intense phase of election season in the States, and I do think TikTok would be a very influential part of the election strategy this year.

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    [–] 41 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Bold move. Who are they going to blame all the online privacy issues once they cant yell about the Chinese? Or are we going to start pretending everythings fine then?

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    [–] 39 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    So NSA backdoors are mandatory but Chinese ones are bad.

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Sooo... How do Republican's square being the party of "Small Govt" and then interfering in a private business?

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    ...TikTok would eventually be dropped from app stores in the US if its owner doesn't sell. It also would lose access to US-based web hosting services.

    Oh no. Where would children act out jokes they stole from old tweets?

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    High school nerds pay attention. This is how you can make some money and have an excuse to talk to the hot girls…by installing a vpn on their phones so they can still have their tik tok.

    Get one popular girls phone set up and every girl in the school will be hitting you up within a week.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    I don't see why users would even have a problem with this. Same services, more competitive market, and with less ties to an evil dictatorship should be celebrated, right?

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