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Reminder: reddit may be dead, but trolls are not. (kbin.social)
submitted 3 years ago* by to c/RedditMigration@kbin.social
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As we start to see more users join, it's inevitable to see trolls (especially low-effort trolls) making more of an appearance and trying to be controversial and noticed.

Best just to scroll past them. They want to spark unwinnable arguments and rack up negative rep. If something seems absurdly ridiculous or inciteful, just move on. It's not even worth down voting.

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[–] 119 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

Actually, they should be reported. Don't just scroll pass if you see harassment or hate speech.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    How exactly do you report them? I tried to report one troll I saw, but couldn’t find the option.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    more > report

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Ahh, I see! I was trying to report them from their page when I went to block them, like you do on Mastodon, and the option wasn’t there. Thanks!

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Is that all it takes to trigger you?

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  • [–] 82 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Thanks for providing a comment to test the report feature with.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Not sure there’s anything to report with the previous comment; yet I don’t disagree with it being a dick thing to say.

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  • [–] 52 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Way back in the way back we used to call comments like that “flame baiting”. It’s trying to start a fight, nothing more. Forums and BBs I moderated used to technically ban it, but generally the rule has always just been “don’t feed the trolls”. Meaning: don’t comment, don’t downvote, don’t bother reporting. They just want attention, the only thing that hurts them is realizing that this board will ignore them just as completely as their parents already do in real life.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    Yes. Back then there wasn't any upvoting or downvoting, so the only way you interacted with a troll is either engage them or ignore them...preferably the latter.

    Images like this were typical...yet helpful.

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  • [–] 52 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    If you want to be neck deep in that bullshit, you're more than welcome to join exploding-heads.com. Can we have ONE space online that isn't infiltrated by assholes?

    You don't have to be a dick to others on the Internet. You can make that choice. Just because you CAN post hateful shit anonymously and not have to face real life consequences doesn't mean you HAVE to.

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    [–] 43 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

    But also, remember not to automatically assume someone with negative reputation is a troll. Given kbin currently doesn't calculate reputation correctly (it counts boosts not upvotes).

    I'm putting this as a top level comment, but I mean to be talking here to the people suggesting to report or block, or moderators looking at this and thinking of taking action against trolls.

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  • [+] 14 points 3 years ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Yup, I've got significantly more upvotes than downvote in total (only one reply of mine so far got downvotes, from the bigots it was calling out), but my overall score is still negative at the moment. Which I personally don't really care about, I just wouldn't want others assuming I'm a troll because of it.

    Edit: looks like these last few replies got me off that negative rep lol, thanks

    (I don't have the brain power to figure out any thing of any significance from this but if anyone is interested: 20 upvotes on replies today got me from -3 to +1)

    Edit again: though having now posted an article from an indigenous perspective on a Canada day celebration post, I am already worse off from when I started lmfao

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    If you're using kbin, the reputation is calculated between your boosts and downvotes. This is a flaw from how this instance tried to retool the platform, but will be rectified soon so that reputation will be the simple arithmetic of upvotes minus downvotes.

    In other instances, the upvotes are called boosts, but here on kbin, the functionally of boosts is how your content is getting promoted in other instances, from what I understand. Boosts are like retweets on other users' activity feeds here in kbin.

    As mentioned, this will be ironed out.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    I’m not sure why anyone cares about karma or points or whatever they are called over here. I don’t ever look at that for other profiles, and only noticed that it even existed when I finally logged into my account on a computer rather than a mobile.

    I think to tag on to what you said…I think it’s fair to say that a troll can only be labeled as a troll based on the content and responses they create.

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    [–] 28 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

    I’ve already seen one troll who’s going hog wild. What’s annoying is, i blocked them, but still got a notification about them when they replied to one of my posts (I couldn’t see the reply on the post itself, but could see it in my notifications). So just be aware that blocking someone doesn’t mean they’re gone.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    There's a few tickets floating around regarding the user flow for how blocking users actually works. This is probably one of those untested cases where you've blocked someone but you can see see them when they do X.

    The blocking workflow is definitely something that needs some improvements, but I think right now everyone is focused on stability (especially with the influx of new people everyone's expecting)

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    [–] 25 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Hope the moderation gets more aggressive soon, or this place is fuuuucked. There's already like three the_donald magazines.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    Opposing political opinions are not trolls. Let's not be like Reddit where "opposite opinion" = bad.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    No, but someone rocking up to a news magazine just to post “Trump won and everyone knows it” with no news article is trolling. Some of these folks are trolls trying to piss people off.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    The_Donald was not about political opinions. It was a hate farm that made neofascists out of people who came for the lulz. By all means let's have actual conservatives discuss politics as a counterpoint to more liberal views, but smack the fascists down - because it's the only way to truly have a tolerant society and civil discourse: Intolerance as politics must not be tolerated. If that basic rule is ignored, everything else fails.

    See the paradox of intolerance.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    I really like this interpretation of the Paradox of Intolerance:

    The Paradox of Tolerance disappears if you look at tolerance, not as a moral standard, but as a social contract.
    If someone does not abide by the contract, then they are not covered by it.
    In other words: The intolerant are not abiding by the terms of the social contract of mutual tolerance. Since they have broken the terms of the contract, they are no longer covered by the contract, and their intolerance should NOT be tolerated.

    Link to source.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    That "paradox" is bunk and is only good for justifying censorship.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    No, it's good for getting rid of antisocial shit heads who feel like they're entitled to an audience for their toxic or abusive ideas and beliefs.

    Because that's exactly what it speaks to.

    Now, if you want to argue with Karl, might I recommend getting a PhD in philosophy and starting from there, rather than whining on the internet?

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Ah yes, because all opinions are equal and NAMBLA and Nazis need to be given equal weight for their "opposite opinions".

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago

    That's not what they said at all.

    What they said is that just because you don't agree with the opposite opinion doesn't make the person saying that opinion a troll. They may be a hateful motherfucker, but a hateful motherfucker who is trying to talk in good faith.

    They aren't arguing some enlightened centrist "everyones opinions are equal" bullshit. They're just arguing that opposite opinion does not equal automatic troll.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    " Hey you want the humane and equal treatment of all peoples, and I have an opposite opinion that some people should be subservient or eliminated. Woah woah why are you banning me."

    It's a painfully American sentiment that was prominent in the civil war. "Hey we just disagree on slavery..."

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    • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    @drumdonuttea Is it possible to block individual users?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    You can block them on kbin, but just be aware that if they reply to you or your post, you’ll still get a notification of it. You won’t be able to see their comment on the page it was posted to you, but it will be sitting in your notifications until you clear all them, since you can’t get rid of individual ones.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    And they can also still see your comments after you blocked them, at least in my experience. Blocking people is not too useful right now because of that IMO.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    This is why I've generally been trying my best not to engage with the obvious trolls and bigots at all (not even downvote) but instead just block and move on. They don't become aware of me, and I no longer see them. Not perfect yet (the block going both ways would go a big way towards that), but it works ok for now.

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    • [–] 5 points 3 years ago

    I have zero tolerance for trolls, just block 'em and move on. Life's too short!

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    [–] 5 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    I wonder if people are going to abuse downvotes and reports. The downvote is not a disagreement button, and reporting just because you find a comment distasteful is not what it should be for.

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