It started when they started including Amazon sponsored results in the menu search really. These days using apt occasionally will install a snap package instead of a deb. It doesn't give people a good jumping on point and it teaches that linux is more difficult than it has to be.

It USED to be OK. Now, it's just bloat, ads for snaps and pro features.

Firefox snap doesn't work with keepassxc browser integration and smart cards randomly, so I uninstalled the default snap on ubuntu, edited configs to make sure it didnt grab snap by default, and then install the deb Firefox.

Every single fucking time I did a distro upgrade, ubuntu uninstalled deb Firefox, rwdis the configs to automatically install snap Firefox, and then reinstalled snap Firefox.

One of the reasons I left windows was because it kept changing my default browser. How is ubuntu any better?

I started my linux journey on ubuntu 11.10. I have some real nostalgia and loyalty to that platform, but I recently gave up on it and switched to fedora because of its relentless self-promotion is snap. I feel like you'd be doing a disservice to recommend it as a gateway into Linux to someone nowadays.

Yeah, like 20 years ago. Things change. Hoary Hedgehog was my first real daily driver, and I miss what Ubuntu was. But that Ubuntu is no more.

These days I use Debian for that old school no-BS Ubuntu feel. If I'm gonna use a .deb based distro, might as well use the granddaddy of them all.

Part of it is the fact that Ubuntu is an entry level sort of OS, it's been simplified down and made easy. So the sort of people who have it are often less tech-savvy, and when something does go wrong, they ask a lot of pretty basic seeming questions.

This isn't helped by some of Canonical's design choices. Nothing overt, but Ubuntu has a flavor that's distinctly Ubuntu, and knowledge of other distros is sometimes a detriment in solving problems.

Canonical is also a company that just rubs some people the wrong way. There was some data collection shit where they asked users to opt-out of collection, after installing the data collection app.

Then there's Snaps... it's their own unique take on program management. Which is a Canonical thing, reinventing the wheel so that they can have their own unique little thing. Like Mir and Unity, which were then both abandoned to the community.

It's good that the community can take over when Canonical drops something, but still...

Ubuntu is great. I use it on laptops, desktops, servers and IoT devices. We use it on thousands of corp workstations at my workplace too.

Ubuntu hasn't been user friendly in a long time. Linux mint on the other hand nails it completely. I still use it in a few VMs

Ubuntu is fine as long as you avoid the default gnome. Xubuntu and kubuntu derivatives have been solid daily drivers for years now. Plenty of online support.

We destroy ourselves. Lol

Yes, but that also kind of drives us to be better at it 🤔... kinda...

Still, I do agree, a dose of it is OK, but constantly, no.

Yes, but you better be installing arch on your toaster by next week.

I hope you mean LMDE mint

Arch user! Burn him!

Just use Debian