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[–] [S] 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Russia is a terrorist state. You cant negotiate with them. This is the facts of today.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Except they did do just that for Brittney Griner.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Brittney Griner was a celebrity stuck in a political dispute, Whelan is a totally different case. I don't think he was spying for the CIA, but he was up to some pretty sketchy stuff, and he has an even sketchier past.

    He's claimed to work as a police officer in multiple places that say they have no record of him, or that he only worked there for a short time. He was court marshalled for larceny and given a bad conduct discharge. Even after his discharge he was hired as head of security for a global firm that did business in Russia. Even ignoring the fact that he holds like 4 different citizenships, just the information that he has provided himself is super sketchy.

    I wouldn't be in any rush to to spend political capital on this dude either.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's fine. I just would not have spent political capital on Griner, either.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    At least that has some return on investment, that's if you're looking at it from the perspective of a politician.

    Though I do find it pretty hypocritical that he spent that capital freeing someone from a crime that he himself is perfectly fine sending people to jail for in America.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What return? WNBA fans are not exactly a huge group.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But you know who she is....... I'd say it's pretty self evident that it was fairly effective PR.

    Reality doesn't matter, politics revolves around perception and fabricating the PR story you want.

    "President saves famous female athlete from tyrant" is always going to be a net plus. The people who don't agree or perceive it in a different fashion are either votes you wouldn't win anyways, or people who don't care about it enough to vote for someone else because of it.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Eh, I really don't think many people are saying "I wasn't going to vote for Biden, but he freed Brittney Griner." And there are surely others who think Biden was wrong for trading an arms dealer for a WNBA "star."

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If only he was a WNBA player vaping THC.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    For her we gave up the Merchant of Death.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'm sure she would disagree, as would you if you were in a Russian prison.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I wouldn't go near Russia. But she is a tad bit biased.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I don't know what she is biased about. Seems to me that she was just trying to make a buck and the kickback of Russia invading Ukraine ran over her. Wrong place. Wrong time.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yea, no...If you're going to cross into another country, make sure you respect the laws of said country. Next time she'll hopefully leave her drugs at home.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The laws in Russia are very much determined on what Russia's anxiety is at the time. Don't play the lawful card.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Don’t play the lawful card.

    Really? That's your defense for breaking the law..."Don't worry about the law"?

    Don't go to Asia if that's your attitude. They make Russia look like a vacation resort.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    When you say “leave her drugs at home” and “she thought she was above the law”, you make it sound like she audaciously took a bag of weed with her. What she actually took was

    cartridges containing less than a gram of medically prescribed hash oil

    that she didn’t consider would be a problem. There is a difference, even if you’re unable to recognize that.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It should be common knowledge that you can't just bring prescribed medication into a foreign country. There is even plenty of OTC medication you can't bring into some countries.

    Heck, in many places you can't even bring fruits, meat, or dairy. Not doing your due diligence before traveling is on the person traveling.

    I don't think she deserves to be in prison for that and I would assume if relations with Russia at the time were better she would have just been denied entry/fined.

    But breaking the law is still entirely on her and returning such a high profile prisoner in exchange for her mistake stings.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    should be

    It’s not even entirely clear in her own country from state to state, it being medically prescribed confused the situation even more, get over yourself.

    Further, she’s out, it’s over, all of you harping on it means nothing except you get to feel superior over a black athlete.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I feel superior that I never had to release a person in the top 10 wanted list because I really needed my drugs.

    That's a reasonable position however you want to spin it.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Your rhetoric is typical of a racist.

    Or possibly just an asshole.

    really needed my drugs

    Probably both. An asshole who doesn’t understand or respect medicinal uses for cannabis, and a racist who judges POC more harshly than others for it.

    No, that’s not a reasonable position.

    Also, she didn’t choose the terms of her release, so again, your position seemly blaming her for who was traded isn’t reasonable. Also, if she wasn’t traded for him, Whelan probably would have been. And most likely you wouldn’t be complaining about that nearly as much, and you’d be perfectly happy letting her be in prison instead, which is why all your bullshit is most likely racist as hell.

    And I’m blocking you now, worthless person.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    She also disregarded a state department directive that Russia is a dangerous country to go to for Americans.

    So, not only was she above the law, she felt she was above the US government's intelligence department as well.

    She's put national security at risk and we all fucking paid for Biden making an appeal to black voters.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    The majority of what you said also applies to Whelan.

    He was there for work (just like her) despite all the warnings, and his presence was even more of a risk as a reporter than as someone there to play for a basketball team.

    It’s done. Get the fuck over it.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Seems to me like she thought she was above the law because she was semi-popular.

    This poor guy doesn't get the same special treatment because he isn't sort of somewhat a little bit famous.

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  • [–] [B] 4 points 2 years ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Gerschkovich is still awaiting a trial, but Whelan, who was arrested on similar charges in 2018 while attending a friend's wedding, was sentenced to 16 years in prison in 2020.

    In Washington, Secretary of State Antony Blinken urged the families of Americans who are being detained or held hostage to not give up hope.

    Speaking Tuesday at a regular press briefing at the State Department, spokesperson Mathew Miller reiterated that Russia had rejected "significant proposals" for the two men's release, "one as recently as a few weeks ago.

    According to CBS Detroit, Whelan's brother David said in an email earlier this month that the White House was telling the family Paul's case remained a top priority, but that he was unsure what that meant anymore.

    "It has taken nearly twelve months for the U.S. to gather its resources and make a singular offer for Paul's freedom," David Whelan said in the email.

    The U.S. has negotiated prisoner swaps with Russia in the past, including the high-profile 2022 deal that saw basketball star Brittney Griner freed by Moscow in exchange for the U.S. releasing long-jailed arms dealer Viktor Bout, whose illicit deeds earned him the nickname,"the Merchant of Death."


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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    He is accused of reporting the truth within the borders of fascist Russia.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    Sorry bro, you need to be a celebrity to get special treatment.

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