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(the link is not paid for, nor does it go to, McAfee, it's malware)

Can't wait to fully migrate to Proton.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why are there ads in Gmail what is this? I have never seen ads in my Gmail app

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They only show if you have categories enabled, and then only on the Promotions category.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just realized you're right. They show in all the tabs other than Inbox. Weak.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

It made me so mad when they appeared in updates. I don’t use categories anymore and went full inbox zero.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago

Honestly it still would have been malware if it was actually McAfee.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There are ads in your gmail?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yes, even though I pay for Google One (sucker, I know).

My Google Workspace email doesn't have ads.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's weird, on android Gmail I don't get any, even when searching.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Yeah same. I have free personal Gmail and everything.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Go to promotions, they're all in there.

I have some stuff that falls into promotions, so I check it occasionally.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I don't have promotions, I must have removed that one

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago

Gmail serves you ads? Holy shit...

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Proton slaps. Strongly recommend. And they keep giving benefits every year for loyalty like more free cloud storage space.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm waiting for proper Linux support to drop before fully switching.

Proton Drive is unfortunately useless to me right now, and I get no calendar outside of the web app and Android app.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

wdym by linux support? you can just use thunderbird or mutt to read your emails.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Only the VPN and emails work on Linux via the bridge. The calendar doesn't work, ProtonDrive is only supported through rclone by emulating the macOS client, it's clunky and incomplete.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately, just like any private company, it can be bought or sold or just have new owners after the old ones die.

As a company, those great things they do for consumers can change on a whim, especially with new management and sudden need for revenue.

I mean, I remember people saying similar things about Gmail when it was invite only and had 1gb of storage. "It's the best, why would you use anything else?"

All this time later, not feeling those same things so much, you know?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Proton’s services have been fully open source and regularly audited for years now. Until an audit reveals something or they start locking things down, they are a great option. You shouldn’t refuse to use a service because they might change their mind one day. Unless you expect everyone to roll their own everything.

Gmail was never open source. It was just very ahead of its time with its integrations/offerings.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

You shouldn’t refuse to use a service because they might change their mind one day.

Sadly, when it comes to privacy, yes you should. Because privacy today does not equal privacy tomorrow. You can't magic all your data out of their systems if things change. That's the issue. I can take their privacy promises today, but if those promises can be changed on a whim by new owners... what good is that privacy promise? It isn't.

Proton sells privacy. A privacy that can be rescinded.

Unless you expect everyone to roll their own everything.

I know it's kind of an elitist attitude, but yeah, I fucking do. If they're really concerned about their privacy.

Ed Snowden didn't roll up to Glenn Greenwald and go "Yeah, just use any off-the-shelf messaging service that says its private." No, he made Greenwald roll up his own.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

how does that even make it through google's qa?

thunderbird and k9 + a monthly donation to thunderbird rule :)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

The content of the ads doesn't matter as long as they're paying for ads ;)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you use Gmail badly this it what happens.

I feel like this is more on the user than on the app. Haven't ever seen anything like this.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It's the default Gmail layout, the one your average Joe who might seriously click on this would use.

If you remove your Promotions tab, it doesn't serve you ads.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Exactly my point though.

If you're using the default settings for anything you're not going to have as good a time as spending a few minutes removing the crap.

It's the same whether it's Windows, Linux, Apple or whatever - the default is generally crap/annoying and you need to configure it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

Yeah no, applications need to be secure by default. Blaming the user does nothing to actually improve the security posture anywhere. The security posture of the app needs to be specifically designed with the least-skilled users in mind because they are also the most vulnerable to this type of problem. Google meanwhile is full of talented engineers who are experts at identifying and combatting this type of malware scam.

To look at it another way, what google is actually doing here is intentionally exposing their users to malware in order to take a cut in the form of advertising revenue.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Remove the "Promotions" tab. Ads are GONE!

As much as I hate Google and corporations altogether, maybe read the friggin' manual from time to time?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)

The problem here is they're serving literal malware in their client, and the categorized view is the default, which the average person will use.

I've switched to K9 mail for that account, doesn't matter what the Gmail client does anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ok thank you for this. I didn't even know you could add and remove categories

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

AFAIK ads can be served in any category now. They were limited to promotions for a very long time. I turned off all categories a year or two ago when ads starting showing up in Updates.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Good question!

It's a privacy and security-focused productivity suite, mostly known for their Proton Mail product.

They don't sell your data, they're mostly open-sourced and get audited frequently.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Hmm interesting, I’ve been wanting to move away from outlook, I may need to look into this.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hello there, fellow Montrealer!

Yeah I changed my Gmail view recently and I get ads now too.

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