Yeah, it's not even pay per view.
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99% of Hollywood "entertainment" is just mindless violence.
You're a barbaric nation for many reasons already, this will just be another nail in the coffin.
the US has streamed several executions already. they just happened to be extrajudicial carried out by police/ICE
Those were streamed incidentally, not officially.
When police body cameras are always on and you execute someone, you're not streaming it "accidentally". You know you have a camera on your body while you murder someone and choose to do it anyway.
Police body cameras don't stream. It is a closed system.
Sure. But they definitely know they're being recorded when they execute someone.
This is a really odd argument that I can't understand, there is a categorical difference between an official broadcast of a scheduled execution and the video from a police body camera being released following the police killing someone. I don't understand how you can say they are the same thing, whether the cop remembers in the moment they have a camera on is irrelevant. Capturing an incident as part of routine recording and then releasing that video after the fact is not at all like scheduling an execution and broadcasting it live for the world to watch.
Hate to break it to you, but this has always been a barbaric nation that was founded on colonialism and genocide. Putting an execution behind closed doors does not change that.
After 3 years of full fledged US-backed livestreamed genocide it is quite astounding people are upset about an execution being livestreamed
We passed the “barbaric” marker a long time ago.
We've always been a barbaric nation. Please stop pretending that we haven't.
I’ve been waiting 40 years now for that leftward swing.
Best we’ve done so far is Obama passing a heritage foundation free market based “healthcare” system.
That America is planning to do it already proves barbarism. Just like Republicans don't need a successful fascist takeover to prove they are fascists. They already are.
If a country is executing its own citizens, that country is already a barbaric nation.
No if. You run torture camps where you detain people you've kidnapped from around the world. You kill innocent fishermen with navy seals. You murder entire weddings in drone strikes. You bomb baby food factories. You arm the Indonesians to carry out a genocide in East Timor. You drop chemical weapons on Vietnam. You bomb Cambodia and Laos, rendering about a million homeless. You kill one million in Iraq. You fund a genocide in Palestine. You fund a genocide in Guatemala. You bombed Yugoslavia when a diplomatic alternative that you proposed is on the table. You've turned Libya into an open air slave market. You've had Cuba in an economic stranglehold for decades, culminating in the current crisis. You're the only nation that ever dropped an atomic bomb on civilian centers, and you did it twice. Six figure death toll those days alone. There's no if. You're a barbaric shitstain of a nation. Death to America.
For Liberals, barbarism is when you publicly show what you are doing instead of doing it in secret.
don't worry guys, it's really not as bad as you think. it's worse. you've been a barbaric nation since 1776.
It just means mask has slipped.
White phosphorus and cluster bombs are still used by the US.
Meanwhile the list of fuckery is so long it's hard to pick a starting point.
Let's quit pretending like we're not! It doesn't mean we all are or that we are all the time, but we fucking are!
The only way we can truly change things is by coming to terms with reality.
America is light and dark.
A few thoughts on this.
I'm strongly against capital punishment. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty who deserve to die and the world is better off without. But our criminal justice system, while good, has made too many mistakes. Plus, given all the appeals and whatnot, it's actually cheaper to keep someone in jail for life than to execute them.
The problem with our society is when it comes to violence, we live in a state of almost childlike innocence. The vast majority of Americans have NO exposure to real violence and death. The vast majority of Americans have never seen another human die, in real life or on video. The vast majority of Americans have never even seen a real dead body. We censor any death or gore on news, and call ourselves civilized.
Even our 'violent' movies and TV are nonsense- the bad guy gets shot, a squib goes off under his shirt, and he falls down. Meanwhile the hero is taking blow after blow that (in reality) would each cause life-altering injuries. It's almost cartoonish.
So with this innocent ignorance, we then debate things like war, gang violence, and capital punishment as abstract academic concepts, as we have no frame of reference to ground them in reality.
Personally I think more Americans should acquaint themselves with the reality of the world we inhabit. The reality is that human bodies are fragile as hell, it doesn't take a lot to seriously wreck one in all kinds of ways, and when that happens it's NOT funny or pretty.
So for that reason, I would like to see at least the recordings of executions be made public. If the American people are going to discuss a policy, they should see what they are actually discussing. I suspect one video of an electric chair execution would be enough to end capital punishment in the USA for good. But even still with firing squad, I think people should see the reality of turning a living human into a dead human.
With that all said- this is NOT the place to do that.
This is not about domestic policy. This is about international peacekeeping. To the Islamic extremists, this guy is a hero. Shoot him live on TV and you turn him into a martyr. The extremist people WANT to die in service of their cause. Death is not a feared consequence, it's the expected end of martyring themselves. You think someone who goes to shoot up a mall expects to live through to retirement? No, they understand that's the end, they just want to take out others at the same time.
This video would not 'strike fear in their hearts', it would be a recruitment tool! This is something anyone with even the most basic understanding of Islamic extremism understands. I don't understand why the so-called experts are ignoring it.
Exactly. Even going past the fucking barbarity of it, it reveals the sheer stupidity of Hegseth and the administration far more.
Did you know Trump in the last months of his first term executed more people than any president of the 20th century except for FDR? and for FDR 6 of them were Nazi saboteurs. And FDR had 3 full terms. In total FDR executed 16 people. Trump had 13 in barely 6 months.
After the Gregg decision (post-1963) the only federal executions were by George Bush junior and he only executed 3.
Basically this guy is the most murderous president we have ever had in the worst possible way ever. Even Hitler had some real beliefs beyond genocide and murder. Trump has none.
If.... and this is in the sidebar:

We’re already a barbaric nation… or have you not been paying attention for like… your whole life?
The country was literally built on genocide and slavery. OP, Remove the "if" and replace the comma with a period.
Yes, nation of punching down, cloaked behind "liberty and justice for all". It was always mostly lies and a little truth, a way for the wealthy to take more as they've done for ages, and use supernatural as excuse too for their violence against people. So much knowledge was lost too, it's tragic the invaders couldn't get along like the Haudenosaunee Confederacy had found a better way. It's not too late to make better choices for better future.
You are a barbaric nation, livestreamed or not. You still have the death penalty for starters, and every school shooting is met with thoughts and prayers and nothing else.
You've always been this way and it's taken a monster shining a torch on it to show you. And your plan is just to get rid of the monster, as if that makes it all OK again...
You already are a barbarian nation for still having capital punishment in the first place.
This new development would just put you a few notches farther away from civilization.
And for torturing people. And for supporting genocide. And for bombing children. And for putting people in concentration camps...
Lol, we have been since the settlers landed.
It's a barbaric nation either way. That's long since been determined. The question is how specifically fucked up is it.
I mean, look, ICE has been publicly executing people for the last year and change, right? That's some fucked up shit, and the people in power show no signs of stopping it. That's barbarism.

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