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[–] 2 points 54 minutes ago

Most of the time, they don't need to be anywhere near as fast as gas (most, maybe even nearly all, people have or can have a way to charge at home). But there's lots of people that don't do long stops on their trips and just want to stop, fuel up, and go. The EV can be a bit slower, but anything over about 15 min is going to be a showstopper for alot of people.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

    The great majority of my gas stops are stop, fill up, leave. I expect those would be eliminated by having a EV I just charged at home though.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

    For the cost of running a washing machine.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    Pretty sure that beats the $40 to fill my tank by quite a lot.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    I've got a Rav4. Costs about $40 to fill up. Just got a Subaru Solterra (same vehicle as the Toyota bz4x). Costs about $7 to charge, given my electric rates. Similar range (Solterra is a bit shorter). And that's neglecting my solar.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 hours ago

    Yeah I fucking do. I'm at Costco of BJs just long enough to fill the tank, and then I'm off.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

    "And while China’s getting there, an executive in the U.S. aren’t so convinced that’s true."

    Why does this sentence bother me so much?

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  • [–] 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    Depending on the state, I'd much rather have a bio break, snack, and stretch my legs at a rest stop. Picnic benches, shade and a view, even a pet relief area. Many have water stations to refill bottles. Does require I've stocked the car with meals and snacks. In general filling stations lack the nicer amenities, most just suitable for gas and go.

    Source: Just did 6338.5 miles encompassing 16 states.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago

    most of my longer drives are 500 to 600 km with one or two short stops along the way.

    if there were a wagon that could start fully charged, and leave me with 250 km of range at my destination after those two short stops, I'd be interested in it as my sole vehicle

    I don't really see how it would make this work for me without that capability. I don't do daily commuting so that aspect of charging at home doesn't appeal to me — I already only fill up maybe every other week at most

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  • [–] 8 points 7 hours ago (11 children)

    The thing a lot of these people dknt understand is that not everyone has a garage where they can charge a car. I love in an apartment, where am I suppssdd to charge an EV? My parking space is too far away from my parking spot to charge, and I'm positive that my complex would never pay to add charging spots connected to each apartments meter.

    Even if they did, I wouldnt trust my neighbors to plug tjeir EV into my charger. This alsomapploesmto people in houses that don't have a garage. An I supossed to run an extension cord to the street st night so that anyone driving by can llut into my electricity?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    Not that it answers all your questions, but many EV chargers have access control. The Chinese one I have you have to tap an access card. Tesla charger allows you to limit to Tesla only or even specific Tesla VIN so you can just plug and change while others can't.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 hours ago (6 children)

    I live in a cold climate and so my apartment stall is electrified in order to run a block heater. The way that it works here is that I am charged for power usage off of that stall outlet, but my unit has a breaker that allows me to turn it off and on. I think charging ports could operate similarly, hopefully offering some kind of smarter scheduling that allows you to only have it active when your car is in the stall and needs charging.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

    And you think the apartment complexes are going to foot the bull to install that here? Every parking lot would have to be torn up to install that. Its a ridiculous assumprion.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (1 child)

    Cutting a narrow trench so you can run electricity out to parts of the parking lot you can't get to otherwise isn't exactly a big deal. Utilities do that sort of thing all the time. We can patch parking lots - we do it all the time. Or even just put a pole and run the lines overhead. And, in many parking lots, you can just run the trench or conduit around the edge of the parking lot. You also don't need every space to be electrified, at least at first.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago (2 children)

    Why would a parking lot need to be "torn up" to add a power outlet

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    [–] 35 points 10 hours ago* (3 children)

    Gasoline cars need to accept grass if they are ever to be a viable replacement for a horse. Like, what if you're far from a gas station but there's a meadow right there?

    Only fringe enthusiasts can own a gasoline car that doesn't have a biofuel fermenter attached.

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    I mean. That's kinda the root cause of Range Anxiety.

    Even if it was double the time to charge when compared to filling a petrol car. That would go a long way.

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  • [–] 32 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (9 children)

    Nobody stops to fuel their vehicle taking gasoline, gets out, rushes as fast as possible, puts as much fuel in the car as possible, and gets back in the car and drives away

    This almost reads as satire. Like this has to be a joke, right? No way this guy can really be this stupid (or out of touch), right?

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    [–] 47 points 14 hours ago (12 children)

    The reality: “Nobody stops to fuel their vehicle taking gasoline, gets out, rushes as fast as possible, puts as much fuel in the car as possible, and gets back in the car and drives away,” Cutler said.

    I, in fact, do exactly that. I pull up in front of the pump, get out, stick my card in, fill up, and leave. It's been over ten years since I went inside the store at a gas station, there's nothing in there I want to buy.

    However, needing to spend half an hour recharging if I were on a road trip would be fine, because on a road trip I would stop for a break from driving in any case. But, I almost never go on road trips, and 99.9% of my trips around town would be well within one charge, which I could do at home.

    So, while I agree that charging doesn't need to be as fast as gas, it's not because of his stated reason.

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