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[–] 73 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

He links it at the end, life imitating art: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49817280

See here's the thing - to get the ability to downvote / flag articles, you have to say stuff in public enough times to get the 200 (400?) karma to unlock that. Well, how do you get that karma? You say the things that people on that site want to hear so they click upvote. Spot the curricular bias problem? It was intentionally designed this way.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'm not sure there is a better way - all the user moderation approaches I've seen involve leaning on the regulars to spot stuff. The alternative is dedicated moderators which tends to lead to it's own problems. I don't think you want to rely on those who have just signed up as that would be open to abuse pretty quickly.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    I remember on stack overflow in order to add a comment with a critical addendum to a question someone else asked, I needed to scrounge around and beg for rep like a second class citizen. Eventually I gave up and posted my addendum as a question with a link to the original, then got in trouble with the mods. I told the mods what the fuck and they added the comment for me under their name. Eventually I earnt enough points to speak; which was then retracted when they increased the minimum rep required to comment again.

    Made me boycott that website forever

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  • [–] 55 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    I used to read HN and find interesting stuff, but stopped when it became ever more flooded with startups and AI this.

    In its place I have the RSS feed from lobsters, which surfaces plenty of interesting articles.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    I read both, though lobsters seems to have more useful content lately. I would like to join so I ask comment/ask questions, but don't know anyone there to ask.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I can invite you if you DM me your email! I don't use lobsters super often since I mainly use Lemmy but I do have an account there

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Lobsters manages an okay community (caveat: from what I've seen), but their lack of particularly strong rules or guidelines (just as with HN) don't give me a ton of confidence in their ability to handle value conflict. Following, they don't really state their community values anyway, which is something I find increasingly important.

    Also with respect to the feedback cycles from hiding progressive comments that has been posed; I see a similar thing happening with these invite-only platforms. You are less likely to have diverse opinions and viewpoints from a userbase that largely grows only from the people in the same degree as existing users.

    I've written about that last part before, and I'd like to stress that's as neutral an appraisal I can proffer; I think for some communities that is an ideal model, but for many others it would be stifling.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Couldn't immediately find an RSS feed there, does it require an account?

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  • [–] 43 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I think HN is one of the most rigged websites I encountered.

    Some posts there look clearly botted regarding the score.

    Not a single soul can tell me that it's normal that the 345th "new AI model"-post get's 1k upvotes within like 3 hours while articles like "I can steal Mastercard transactions" barely have 800 after an entire day.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago

    In my experience, AI has ruined HN. There used to be a lot of articles that weren't technology related on the front page. Philosophy, art, history, geography, lots of cool things that were interesting to intellectuals. Now it's probably 80% AI stories. I'm struggling justify leaving it in my RSS reader.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)

    I've also noticed the HN community has been on an accelerating train of lower quality discussion since some time before COVID.

    Some of the community has always had a bit of a silicon valley libertarian brain rot, but it used to be balanced out by the open source crowd and just normal professional engineers across the world. The latter demographics have mostly evaporated leaving some of the most braindead takes completely unchallenged, until they've become the only noise in the room.

    It's a bit of a shame really, because it used to be a pretty good resource for keeping on top of the comings and goings of the software engineering industry. Combined with Reddit shitting the bed just after COVID, I've yet to actually find a decent replacement for what I got out of browsing it, really. Here does a fairly decent job, but as with many subjects, the breadth of content and opinions isn't quite the same.

    Perhaps I need to give Mastodon another go despite not really enjoying microblog social media as a format in general (any recs for follows are greatly appreciated)

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    I really want to enjoy Mastodon, I truly do. But my experience has been that it is a living doom spiral by 95% of posting users on there. I learn a lot, but it also drags me towards a highly negative thought pattern and mini-existential crises. I still occasionally review it for the information, but it's like watching an episode of "This is Us" knowing that I'm going to cry multiple times by opening this pandora's box. Lemmy has been a lot more varied. Still deeply disturbing news, some weirdness from the .ml crowd, but overall I'm much happier here even if it's bc my feeds sandwich disturbing news with memes for the dumb caveman brain that's using this site.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 weeks ago* (6 children)

    Years ago, in the early 20-teens, I had posted on HN in protest to some new web property that aimed to tie yet another aspect of life to cell phones. I said something like "I work in software but I still don't have a cell phone, I don't like them, I don't want one, I don't want yet another aspect of modern life to encourage dependence on some subscription service like a phone." Which was all true.

    This attracted rather more reaction than anything else I posted on there. The reactions fell into a few categories:

    1. I don't believe you, liar, why would you post this
    2. I have no sympathy for you, loser, go buy a phone
    3. Fuck you

    Any illusion I had that the HN people were software-loving geeks like me kind of dissolved after that, and I stopped visiting. I suppose that's exactly what they wanted.

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    [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago

    Politics and society are bifurcating, and Hacker News is taking the fork on the right. “Apolitical” is an excuse to favor the status quo, a resistance to change, and therefore a re-enforcement of the existing biases and power structures of society.

    Quote of the day right there.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Agree with all of this, but why then does the author stay on HN? It's as with Xitter, at some point staying on the platform makes you complicit.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I'd assume because there's no alternative that's good enough.

    HN has its problems, but it's still worthwhile if you can ignore the politics and focus on technical discussions.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    It's funny and sad how many people that consider themselves apolitical and above the quarrels of the left and the right are completely oblivious to how they let the political devils pipeline bias straight into their brain.

    And how people that consider themselves centrist seem to have a genuine hate against anything actually centrist. Centrism today is anything from market liberalism and rightwards straight into fascism it seems.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    They use excuses like this:

    The flagged comments given as examples are exactly the type I don't want to see here. Not because they are wrong (they are not), but because they are boring, low-calorie declarations of obvious that add very little value to the topic at hand.

    They see rhemselves as people who should only have to read what they deem as intellectual conversations.

    And that stems from the HN rules.

    It’s all designed to shut down progressives.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago*

    It's quite common to reinforce the idea that they are just talking about objective truth while "the others" are being confused by emotions. While they are having a most agreeable circle jerk on right wing talking points wrapped in pandering to their ego.

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    [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Depends on when you read HN. Right now, I see a fierce debate about the evils of AI at the top. On the one hand there are folks defending AI and dreaming of the end of human labour, pointing at Wall-E as a utopia. On the other hand, there are others pointing out that the ultra-rich in the tech industry have openly expressed a desire to build a techno-feudalism with themselves living as kings, while the masses die in unemployed squalor.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    That site has always been the feckless asshole version of Slashdot.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

    Reminder that Drew DeVault is a pedophile.

    https://dmpwn.info/

    He also wrote a smear piece about Stallman and then pretended it wasn't him.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41838124

    He is the problem. Ignore him.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    Drew has posted a response in defense of these allegations.

    Having read it as well the "report" on him you linked, I personally find the report lacks credibility. I take much more stock in Drew's accounting of things, including his mature ownership of the bad decisions he's made in the past.

    As for the Stallman Report: it's not a smear piece in my view. It's a whistleblow that outlines an argument why RMS is unfit to lead the FSF with accompanying evidence. You may disagree with some of it, but it's hardly malicious; I can sympathize with anyone who wishes to see better from the leaders of the major social movements of our day.

    And as for why Drew initially denied his involvement, I found his response reasonable:

    Myself and the other authors asserted our moral rights to publish anonymously, motivated by our wish to reduce our exposure to the exact sort of harassment I’ve been subjected to over the years.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    What a string of grasping at straws. I'm sure this (Attempted) character assassination has nothing to do with Drew DeVault publicly naming and shaming fascist developers, with receipts.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    People in positions of privilege very often tell on themselves when they dismiss anything that challenges their worldview as "political," and therefore inappropriate for whatever "no politics, please" forum they're in. It doesn't mean they're stupid, but it does mean they're stunted. They would be better leaders if they had broader horizons.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    It's pack full of gouhls

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