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  • [–] 91 points 1 week ago (35 children)

    You mean they want to identify you from your credit card instead of your phone number? Bah.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 week ago (14 children)

    They claim it's "zero knowledge" proof through Google pay, meaning that Google will know you paid Signal, and Signal knows you paid them, but there is no link between the two that uses your PII payment info to identify the Signal account. I'm inclined to believe them.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago* (6 children)

    Unless you wait a good while to use what you paid for (if that's even possible), then I doubt it'd be hard to connect the dots. Never mind connecting transaction records.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Google will know you paid Signal

    That's not ok either! Just stop playing these games and stop obstructing self hosting. When they come to round up all the Signal users, they won't care what account belongs to who. So there should be no database that identifies the users.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (17 children)

    Could possibly use a gift card?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

    I'll call it right now and bet they want 3DS supported cards. So no giftcards and no prepaid cards.

    I use signal all the time but even I will admit some of the things they do don't scream privacy conscious to me. This is one of those things.

    For instance, no support for their shitty crypto no one ever uses? You know, the one they chose over an actual battle tested one like Monero? (Its basically a pump and dump, look at the all time chart on coingecko for Mobilecoin went from like $50 a coin to 0.07¢ now)

    Nope. Just traceable cards or traceable phone numbers. Interesting choice. The lack of self hosting is also an interesting choice.

    Way better than Telegram or Facebook or WhatsApp for sure for sure and I get all my friends to use signal but I do have doubts sometimes when I start to notice stuff like this.

    People will get on here and say "only FEDS promote fud about signal!!" But honestly ask yourself if what you just read really aligns with privacy in any way. A lot of it does not.

    Even the same people who hate crypto actively use signal which did its own pump and dump scheme. Its odd. And I wish an actual competitor would come out that isn't based in another surveillance state like the UK.

    Literally all the alternatives are from surveillance States. Every single one. All of them.

    Idk man, I have doubts a lot.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    And if it does support gift cards and prepaid cards?

    This seems to me like a mild annoyance for someone using it legitimately, but a bigger barrier for scammers trying to get accounts in bulk. Sure they can get a lot of accounts still, but it'll no doubt be lessened.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (8 children)

    If they were going to do that they would not have just made an announcement about google pay's "zero knowledge proofs" being the only way to pay it.

    It becomes more than a mild annoyance it becomes borderline suspicious to be quite honest. None of the other private app competitors have ever needed a phone number or payment and a lot of them let you self host too something signal is vehemently against.

    Idk man. The phone number thing I could kind of understand but now the only way around it is a google pay payment? What the fuck is that? The fact that they won't even accept their "super private" shitcoin is a huge red flag here to be completely honest. Just gonna call a spade a spade. Its a very strange choice from a privacy oriented service.

    Its like using the Tor browser or something but you have to do a "zero knowledge proof" payment through google pay to access it. Would that make you feel comfortable? No? Then why are we acting like its ok for signal?

    It's weird.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Their original post says this:

    Can I buy an account on a device that has no Play Services?

    Not yet. We have plans to add more payment methods, but currently only offer Play Store in-app payments, which requires Play Services.

    I do not think this is suspicious. They are starting where most of their users are, and whether we like it or not, is play services.

    Their implementation with play services seems to be correct if it were done for privacy, though we can't ignore the fact it's still supporting Google.

    The fact that they won’t even accept their “super private” shitcoin is a huge red flag here to be completely honest.

    Nobody uses this. Signal also never processes a card. You have to transfer money from another crypto. That is not user friendly, and people would be pissed about this implementation too.

    None of the other private app competitors have ever needed a phone number or payment and a lot of them let you self host too something signal is vehemently against.

    The open source decentralized projects? Those a great, and important, but they are different. Signal is balancing security with convenience. Most average people would give up the moment it asked for an instance. Signal is easy to use, even for the tech illiterate. It works just like their other messaging apps, but only because it's centralized.

    Its like using the Tor browser or something but you have to do a “zero knowledge proof” payment through google pay to access it. Would that make you feel comfortable? No? Then why are we acting like its ok for signal?

    It's about where the users are. Most tor users are going to be on a desktop device, probably Linux, maybe Windows, then everything else. A very small percentage are going to be on Android. It would be very weird to be on a Linux device in a Tor browser being sent to Google services for payment. Signal is a mobile messaging app, which means basically two ecosystems. I assume they started with play services because of number of users and/or the fact Google already had ZKP payment as an option.

    And ZKP isn't new, and it is real, and it's exactly how more things should be implemented.

    Look at how many scammers use WhatsApp, and how much spam there is. Signal is clearly trying to make it tje best user experience they can without compromising security. This is just one step further, and it's only the first payment method, not the last.

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    [–] 82 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    All the purist here would rather use matrix to send messages to themselves...

    Signal is an amazing alternative to WhatsApp and one of the few apps you can actually get non-techies to install. If it's not for you then don't use but don't say stupid shit like "why would anyone use it? it's not perfect!".

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago

    Actually I was installing signal in my relatives phone to replace the sms app, they used it even without knowing... I understund why they remove the sms part but it was a sad day for me, now noone from my "normies" use it anymore

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    [–] 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I didn't expect to get cancer from a website called itsfoss.com, but I guess it's time to put an adblocker on my tablet, too.

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    [–] 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    From the official announcement

    Can I buy an account on a device that has no Play Services?

    Not yet. We have plans to add more payment methods, but currently only offer Play Store in-app payments, which requires Play Services.

    Ok so given how long it took them to allow an alternative to phone numbers, it will probably be at least 5 years before you can pay using a de-googled phone. I really don't understand what's so hard for them to accept crypto, they already do for donations. Smells like government involvement.

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    [–] 43 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    it gets worse

    The feature currently requires Google Play Services, as payments run through the Play Store, making it such that devices without Play Services cannot access it

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  • [–] 28 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Why does a service that no longer does SMS want your phone number?

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    [–] 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Deltachat and Jabber, both decentralized encrypted messaging apps (as opposed to Signal, which is centralized), don't even require an email to create an account, let alone a phone number or payment.

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    [–] 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Hmm, I bet there’s a hidden 50 cent surcharge. Damn it, Loch Ness Moster, I ain’t giving’ you no tree fiddy!

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    [–] 20 points 1 week ago

    Could you all just stop trying to flee corporate greed jumping from one company to another? We already have XMPP, Matrix and other descentralized solutions.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Oddly enough, once you make that three fiddy payment signal will now potentially have a payment method linked to your account.

    If this is true that payment method can essentially be tied to a identity.

    I suppose the reason they are choosing to do this is to prevent a influx of bot accounts and spammers/scammers.

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    [–] 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Yeah why am I donating $10 a month every month for them to come up with shit like this. Google? Really? Now I question what else is going on behind the scenes.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    If Signal had zero value to the three letter agencies, they probably wouldn't be allowed to exist. Sucks, but I wouldn't trust them much more than anything else American.

    Honestly, for super secret communications, leave your phones at home and meet up irl.

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    [–] 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Signals reliance on phone numbers is my biggest problem with it. I don’t understand why they can’t move away from them entirely.

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    [–] 11 points 1 week ago

    Why is Signal always doing weird shit?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago

    Hopefully in the future they will offer the ability to pay with Monero.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    By paying through a bank card, you are identifying yourself. So this means dick unless you can do it with an anonymous gift card thing, but even then, they trace that shit a lot more than you may think.

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