Too late, I think. China is going to beat their pricing everywhere except for the US, and Korean auto brands have already flooded the US market. I'm sure they'll sell some, but they could have had a huge chunk of the market if they had gotten off of their hydrogen crap. They already had great hybrids, they didn't need to go much further to just start producing BEVs.
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It really is kind of crazy to think about how much time and money Toyota wasted on hydrogen vehicles.
And hybrids.
hybrids are the syit
That I don't doubt. I do, however, believe that Toyota (and the auto industry at large) become too comfortable with them and only invested in other, greener propulsion methods much later. Sure, they gave HFC (which is a cool technology) a try but ultimately went nowhere. Hybrids, while great on their own, was the auto industry's way of appearing green while keeping their pals at Big Oil happy.
I'm glad they changed their minds about not going electric after making such statements a few months ago.
But as big as Toyota is, they're in the fight of their lives against state-subsidized Chinese automakers who have a massive head start making the next generation of vehicles.
Now Honda....
People refuse to buy non-Toyota because of reputation built 20+ years ago.
People claim Toyotas extensive experience with hybrid drivetrains will help them build a better EV.
Neither of these things are relevant in their ability to build an EV today, but they will be factors in selling Toyota EVs. Toyota has spent decades chasing dead hydrogen technology and despite early start with hybrid, their PHEV cars (which amount to a charger and bigger battery) have been really late to the game, to say nothing of their lacklustre and late EVs. People will buy Toyota before a technologically superior Kia simply because of the badge (and associated historical reliability), but I don’t think Toyota will be able to compete with Chinese cars which are technologically superior and significantly cheaper.
One area that I’m not sure that Chinese EVs are comparable is in repairability and longevity. They move fast and optimize for manufacturing, and that may carry over into relatively disposable vehicles. A $20k new car is wonderful but if it has a 5 year lifespan it is more expensive than a traditional manufacturers offering with a standard 20 year lifespan at $40k.
Up-front manufacturing expertise matters, but I really do think that Toyota has relevant expertise in some other areas that, as you mention, Chinese manufacturers haven't yet proven themselves.
First, ongoing maintenance and parts support is really important. There will be collisions. There will be wear and tear. The parts supply chain and maintenance/repair documentation remains an important part of a manufacturer's ongoing reputation for quality. As newer automakers mature, we'll see where each one shakes up in the overall rankings for ongoing support of 5, 10, or 20 year old vehicles.
Second, an interesting thing is how automakers refresh updates by model year or even model generations. Does launching a new generation move things smoothly as the older ones are sold off and the newer model starts to show up? Interestingly, Toyota has a gap developing right now as it moves the Highlander from ICE/hybrid to full EV, with an unexpected delay in production of the new assembly line, so that it might have no Highlanders available for sale for a few months. That's the kind of challenge that different automakers will need to deal with. Tesla refreshes its models slower than a lot of traditional automakers, and that might make a difference in long term competition.
And one big advantage Toyota has over most traditional automakers is that it has the suppliers and supply chains for millions of batteries and electric motors per year. They're smaller capacity (usually less than 5 kWh for hybrids and less than 10 kWh for plug-in hybrids) than a typical full EV battery (usually 50-100 kWh), but things like regenerative braking and electric motors are well within their engineering expertise.
Another big advantage that Toyota has over startups is its very deep pockets where it can draw on its current profits and revenue to take the time to get things right, without relying on external financing from investors. They have the financial runway to afford to make a few mistakes on the way.
Wtf is that dashboard supposed to be???? The middle screen is by the passenger, completely out of reach for the driver. Good luck turning up the heat while driving...
They saw the genius design of the Model 3's centered screen and said "hold my beer".
The entirety of the inside is ridiculous. I’m not sure an idiot would even make that a reality. I’d expect the inside to look like their current models. This would be doubly true for any Corolla as it’s their most approachable offering.
I came to the conclusion the only answer is a " hey AI turn up hear or sound". Terrible.
All they had to do was make the car electric. Knobs dont run on tiny explosions.
its a concept car. those never get produced and always are shareholder pipedreams
Not that much worse than every new car really. Mount a stupid tablet in the middle (but yes, painfully way away on this model) and call it a day.
Car designers truly have lost the plot. Cheap bullshit.
I completely agree with you. The best I could find half a year ago was a Nissan Micra. I don't actually have to use the tablet while driving. Heating has buttons, which was a very big "must" for me.
It's not the designers who want this I'm sure. Marketing and accounting. It's cheaper to manufacture and they can throw in a bigger number in the marketing materials
That is a dedicated passenger screen. BMW is now doing that on some of their cars.
Wonder if they'll still be the biggest republican donor automaker at that time, and how much that will affect their popularity
What in the absolute fuck is that interior lol.
let’s make good-looking cars that everyone will want to drive!”
No, Toyota. Your car's styling have never been their virtue. Reliability and common sense have.
There are so many die-hard Toyota fans that it is literally impossible for them to be too late. Me included. I have a Hyundai Inster only because in my region it was the best EV for the money I could get (almost non-existant used EV market), and because I had to get an EV in compliance with my values. But unless something drastically changes for the worse in terms of reliability for Toyota I am 100% buying a Toyota EV as my next car.
EDIT: I should add, my Inster after 7k km and 7-8 months has already had a failure of something called a Three-Way Valve, related to the cooling system. It was all covered by warranty but was in the shop for 2 weeks. I like the car but if it will keep the same frequency of issues it's not a very reliable car.
EDIT 2.0: If anyone has questions about my car I am happy to answer.
There was actually a recall for the Inster over that issue. I don't think it's a reliability thing so much as just choosing the wrong part for the job in manufacturing. I wouldn't expect that sort of thing to happen again.
I was in an Inster recently. They're surprisingly roomy.
20 years too late me.
It's just a concept, so years before we can actually see one for real. That's bonkers.
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