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[–] 227 points 1 month ago (32 children)

https://keepandroidopen.org/

Google says "power users" can "still install" unverified apps. Here's what that actually looks like:

Delve into System Settings, find About Phone

Tap the build number seven times to enable Developer Mode

Dismiss scare screens about coercion

Enter your PIN

Restart the device

Wait 24 hours

Come back, dismiss more scare screens

Pick "allow temporarily" (7 days) or "allow indefinitely"

Confirm, again, that you understand "the risks"

Nine steps. A mandatory 24-hour cooling-off period. For installing software on a device you own.

Worse: this flow runs entirely through Google Play Services, not the Android OS. Google can change it, tighten it, or kill it at any time, with no OS update required and no consent needed.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    It won't be a problem on a de-googled phone. Get it running LineageOS or GrapheneOS. Then install F-Droid (and probably Aurora store too). Some Google junk won't work, but you'll soon be more limited by having Google services on your phone than not having it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    Hardly the point though. For us this is a bother at most, but we can cope because we're already doing our own thing and know what we want. Imagine trying to get your non tech-savvy friends to "sideload" (install) an app from outside the Play Store. Right now it's not a big deal, so if they're interested in the app, they'll likely install it. But this amount of friction and scary warnings is way more likely to stop them.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    i hadnt thought about it before but i just had the realization that im not even gonna be able to have 3rd party apps AND my banking app in the same phone (cuz it doesnt like developer options being enabled). uhm shit

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    I unlocked my phone's bootloader. I'm on the oem OS, up to date, no root, just unlocked the bootloader. Now my device is "not certified" and a lot of apps that have no business caring about my "certification status" don't work (like my phone operator app). That's if the playstore lets me download it in the first place: "this app is not compatible with your device"

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    This is why rooting is great and if you re worried about banking apps, KernelSU is very good at blocking detection and keyboxs for the hardware attestation get leaked weekly.

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    [–] 185 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

    Nice. There's just a FOSS alternative for almost everything these days. I get 80% of my apps from F-Droid.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    The only non foss apps that I use are banking apps and whatsapp (forced to use it...). Everything else is foss.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Look at Beeper as a alternative, let's you bridge your WhatsApp chats.

    https://www.beeper.com/

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The only way you should trust anything bridging is if you self host it.

    Matrix with WhatsApp bridge is the only way to properly use that.

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  • For many people it's literally impossible to self host anything, whether it's because of lack of decent hardware resources, and/or because of a lack of technical knowledge, and/or because of a lack of time, and/or because of a lack of energetic stability, and/or because of a lack of monetary resources, and/or because of a lack of mental and/or physical energy, and/or because of a lack of someone with some or any of these; and of course, all of these things can be and in fact are intersectional with each other.

    So that's why any managed alternative it's still a good alternative for these people; obviously, only if they're as transparent and reliable as humanly possible.

    I myself only do use Disroot's (and maybe Nadeko and a bit others) services because I don't have the hardware, the money, the energy and the enviromental resources to be able to properly self host, and even more, I only use the free tiers of these services.

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  • [–] 71 points 1 month ago (29 children)

    Isn't everybody using Droid-ify anyway?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Honestly the new ui is nice enough I may be switching back to the official F-droid app.

    We'll see where I stay. I love the simplicity of droid-ify but sometimes have some issues with minor jank

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    [–] 35 points 1 month ago

    Been using it since the alpha came out, absolutely love what they've done with the app. The installation flow is much smoother with the instant prompt for confirmation, the more granular categories and improved search make browsing so much better. I tried other stores before, but I couldn't get myself to like any of the actively maintained ones, v2.0 is good for me.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 month ago

    Almost exclusively use F-Droid. Great news!

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Can anyone ELI5 for the nontechy how things are going to work once Google rolls out the new bullshit? I'm seeing so many of my apps put out notices that they will no longer work once Google goes through with the verification system. Will I still be able to install shit through f droid?

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Will I still be able to install shit through f droid?

    yeah, with extra hoops the first time though (24 hr wait etc etc)

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    I already have developer options turned on, are they gonna fuck me out of that again? :/

    I really hate this shit

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    Ya there's going to be wait periods to turn on developer options, and it sucks cause some apps don't work with developer options turned on, like banking apps for example.

    This whole thing sucks, imagine on your laptop not being able to install software and only being locked to getting everything through the Microsoft Store App.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    the problem here isnt that users cant do what they want, its that developers might stop developing because not enough people cant be arsed to jump through googles hoops. Everyone who can should support opensource developers more than ever now.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (20 children)

    I've just tried it. The UX is great and the downloads are faster than ever. It's soo much better noww!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (17 children)

    WTF, why is the download on the Fdroid front page still giving me 1.3.2?

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    [–] 22 points 1 month ago

    When you find an app, F-Droid 2.0 will make the installation process easier. Google has long put up roadblocks for sideloaded apps, citing the security implications. This is also the rationale behind its upcoming developer verification system. For now at least, apps will be easier to install from F-Droid thanks to the use of Google’s pre-approval API.

    That answers my question if those smoother installs already account for Google's insistence in making "sideloading" way more annoying. They do not.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago*

    I've been on neo store for a couple of years for the apps that have no APIs ready in git repos (for those, Obtainium is just the greatest). I tried the new F-Droid app, and it is way smoother than the last time I tried it, and the UI improvement is amazing. They still show you apps that haven't been maintained for over a year up front, but that's not a deal killer.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)
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    [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    Now it will take them another decade to update apk on their website to the newest version.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I've only started using F-Droid recently, but it's UI is a clusterfuck. I welcome an overhaul.

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    [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    The new ui is excellent, much more approachable in my opinion

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    It has indeed gotten better more pleasing to look at.

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