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‘Touching fish’: young employees rebel against Chinese work ethic (www.scmp.com)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

Firstly based zoomers.

Secondly, for a good time, compare the wikipedias for the blatantly illegal 996 system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/996_working_hour_system

The actual law:

The State shall practise a working hour system wherein labourers shall work for no more than eight hours a day and no more than 44 hours a week on the average.

Btw the recently disappeared Jack Ma was a huge proponent of 996!

Now lets look at the wikipedia for crunch time, since it's effectively the same thing but isn't illegal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_developer#Crunch_time

It doesn't even have it's own page and the whole section is entirely like "it's Good, Actually", because the law says they can do it and they uhhh provide food.

Crunch time has been used in the industry but until 2004 was generally not discussed openly. A 2004 survey by the International Game Developers Association (IGDA) found only about 3% of respondents did not work any overtime, and of those that did, nearly half were not compensated for overtime.

Seems like a pretty widespread problem if 97% of surveyed devs were forced to do crunch. They need to take a cue from the zoomers.

Final edit:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/01/japan-has-some-of-the-longest-working-hours-in-the-world-its-trying-to-change.html

Nearly one quarter of Japanese companies require employees to work more than 80 hours of overtime a month, according to a 2016 government survey. Those extra hours are often unpaid.

damn i wonder why China gets singled out for the ILLEGAL labor violations tho

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

If it is illegal, why doesn't the party swing the hammer and let it come down hard on these companies?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

i mean, apparently they are if you believe reddit about what happened to jack ma ;)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

One dude, and if he got got it was probably not for labor violations, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

idk, why don't you research and it find out?

edit: downvoted for asking someone to do basic research? after i posted a ton of links up there? I didn't even mean this in a mean way, i just want more facts. bruh

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Building socialism takes time, but all the trends are in the right direction. Sorry it isn’t swift and pure enough for you, sitting in your computer chair in America.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Letting capitalist corporations squeeze their workers for the last drop, and that for years and years while the CPC watches on. Such great socialism.

I'm sorry, I'm really not against China or anything(if you want check my post history), but you don't need to defend everything that happens in China.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

Wow have you ever read Lenin? The initial stages of socialism resemble state capitalism, since socialism emerges out of capitalism. Because they don’t leap to full communism, we must condemn!

The trends are in the right direction. Everything is going according to plan. Just chill the fuck out chauvinist. Have some patience and some solidarity.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

It's not chauvinist to criticize material conditions.

What's the point of having a communist party if you are going to allow capitalist working conditions and exploitation? Just pull a USSR and collapse so capitalism can run it's natural course if that's really your take.

Anyway, for me the material argument that dominates a lot of this is that china is still developing.

We see they passed the US by some metrics and the constant fear mongering in the US and I feel like I forget that sometimes. If something like poor conditions for otherwise well off tech workers takes time to address because there are still worse problems sucking up attention that makes sense. Workers fighting back also makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Conditions are improving year over year. What’s the point of being a communist if you demand instant perfection and ignore the real results in front of your face?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

I'm not, making improvements is good.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't examine and question.

Learn so much more about China on here from discussion and reading. it's good as long as we don't let it devolve into "China bad".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Conditions are improving year over year in America. Like, literally go look up any statistics. Does that make it good? Does that mean you can't criticize America without being a chauvinist?

You are literally just using neoliberal platitudes like "expanding health care access" and it's just as bullshit. There are no downsides to better worker protections except the loss of profits to capitalists. You're talking about being a good materialist elsewhere, but for SOME REASON ignoring a basic economic motivation for the actual conditions. Hmmm......

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Wages, conditions and actual hours worked by employed individuals are worsening in America. As is poverty. Literally the exact opposite trends as China

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

And you can't have better worker protections in a state capitalist system, where the state can dictate what flies or doesn't fly?

Come on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Worker protections, wages and conditions are all skyrocketing. Again, you need to take a materialist look at the before and after and the big picture trends

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I guess we'll better agree to disagree.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Have solidarity or gtfo

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Solidarity with whom the Chinese capitalist exploiting their employees?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

With the communist revolution of China. Please be a chauvinist on Reddit, you will find many friends there to jerk off about China bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Are you even serious anymore, can't question anything China does or you're a chauvinist?

Okay, buddy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

There’s a difference between criticizing specific aspects of the Chinese revolution and throwing the entire thing under the bus. Your rhetoric is literally just parroting western talking points, so yes that’s chauvinism

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

There’s a difference between criticizing specific aspects of the Chinese revolution and throwing the entire thing under the bus.

There is, but it's pretty clear that he only criticized specific aspects of the Chinese revolution, namely watching as tech workers get drained out recklessly.