I've wrote this post to discuss if we can infer intelligence from the inside of the machine. I've my own view on the topic, maybe this is something that you folks could enjoy the read.

All feedback is welcome.

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[–] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

How is this thought experiment different from Platos allegory of the cave?

I.e. "if someone grew up in a cubicle..."

So the answer is, perhaps surprisingly to some, yes.

I can directly observe my own thought processes because I am inside the system generating them. You cannot; you can only infer my intelligence from my behavior. Likewise, an intelligence instantiated inside a machine may have first-person access to its own cognition, while an outside observer can only infer intelligence from its outputs and mechanisms.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    How is this thought experiment different from Platos allegory of the cave?

    Not sure if I follow. My point with the Chinese Room experiment focus on the idea that the "machine can't have a mind", and that even without a mind it can "display intelligence" (even without it). Almost like the semantics over concept.

    While Plato is about the real world and the projected world. Not sure if they are the same, but can be close enough.

    Ps.: Also, I'm not super familiar with the Plato Cave, I know about it, but didn't read the originals like most in this specific place.

    I can directly observe my own thought processes because I am inside the system generating them. You cannot [...]

    Totally agree with you.
    But when you are bounded by a rulebook, the "thought processes" is irrelevant, point of the post.

    But for the observer outside of the box it will still look like "magic", or "intelligence" when there is nothing intelligent there, just rules.

    My point is, even if the machine does have a inner person, it yet don't use this to communicate, since it only use the manual to translate symbols that carry meaning to us, but no meaning to the machine. And thus the agency that I want the companies behind the machine to have it, instead of "oops the machine did, we didn't knew about it, sowwy"

    But I may have misunderstood your point in this whole thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 hours ago* (1 child)

    So thas exactly why I brought up Plato. And I think the song and lyrics do an excellent job summarizing,

    Your title asks whether we can infer intelligence. Verbatim. The answer to that is, again, yes. We do it constantly.

    You cannot directly observe my intelligence or thoughts. You observe my behavior, language, problem-solving, etc., and infer intelligence from those outputs. The same applies to a machine.

    The Chinese Room raises a different question: whether apparently intelligent behavior is sufficient to establish understanding or semantic content. That is not the same as asking whether intelligence can be inferred.

    Saying "it's just following rules" doesn't setkle that question either. Humans are also physical systems whose cognition is implemented through mechanisms. The existence of rules or mechanisms does not itself show that intelligence is absent.

    So becaus your question is specifically "can we infer intelligence?", yes.

    Now, If the question is "does intelligent-looking behavior prove semantic understanding or consciousness?", that's a different and much harder question. But most importantly, it's not the question you asked.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 5 hours ago

    Holy molly, that was an amazing summary.

    Thanks very much. I've even more questions now, and for sure I'll take some time researching on the topic of evaluating the understanding (and semantics on this sense).

    But you are right, we can infer intelligence, we can't guarantee the semantics on the topic.

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