an almost empty jar labeled "swear jar" and a full jar labeled "hearing people slander Java .jar"

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[–] 33 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Maturing is realizing that java is a good language that gits the job done and has great balance of simplicity, expressiveness and speed, and JVM is a very good ecosystem. The main issue is that it's owned by Oracle. But I guess it's better than google atleast.

I prefer Clojure on the JVM 10/10 tho.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Learning clojure in uni for AI (not the kind we call AI now though) was so much fun. I wish I had more reasons for me to have kept up with it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Fully viable option today. I make money with it. And was never hired as a "Clojure dev" . We need to do X, I find that clojure is great for X, and start creating.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    Is java a money maker these days?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'm making more money slinging C++, C, and Assembly than I was with Java.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

    Java is weird and I don't like it. It's the go-to language to learn as a first programming language in school and university, but the kind of Java that is actually used in corporate jobs, with all the weird frameworks and libraries, is so far removed from school Java that it feels like a whole different thing. Maven is weird and confusing and I don't get it (but I'm perfectly fine with Php's Composer and JS npm/yarn). And I have yet to come across any sort of real life problem where OOP is a better solution than Functional Programming.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

    Maven is far easier if you... use gradle instead.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)
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    I'm not entirely sure what you want to say, but Gradle utilizes Maven repositories.

    So if you need to use maven, consider not using maven.

    And if you're trying to use dependencies, it doesn't really matter where you get them from. NPM is as useless as NuGet, as Maven and every other one.

    Okay, NPM might be even worse.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 weeks ago (8 children)
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    Thanks for explaining. I still don't get the other answer I got.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 weeks ago (6 children)
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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Fax can mean slang for facts, and "no printer" is a joke based on "fax" also meaning "fax machine".

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Thanks again. Never ever came across this. But did you know that the fax machine is older than the phone?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I know it overlaps with samurai existing

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Java as first programming language? My first programming language in school was Terrapin/MS Logo (that thing with the turtle) and then Python, IIRC.

    And yeah, Maven is an absolute pain. My last workplace used it and it makes me extra glad that I don't work there anymore.

    I'm more partial to OOP, though. I just find it easier to organise data and functionalities by class/object and not make a mess that way, I guess. Plus, I mainly do gamedev/adjacent stuff these days, which largely seems to be object-oriented, at least when it comes to the most popular engines.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    java sucks but kotlin in great

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    Kotlin can be great, but the amount of syntactic sugar available very easily baits undisciplined devs into writing very concise, wholly incomprehensible code. I’d pick it for a project where I know and trust every dev who will work on it, but not for something that might get a lot of touches from a lot of people.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    It's by definition not slander if it's true.

    Given that fact, slander about Java is exceptionally rare 😉

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    I tried, over and over for more than twenty years, but I still hate it. Anything but Java, I'll even take COBOL with a rusty spoon instead.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    If I have to target the JVM, Clojure > Kotlin > Scala >>>>>>>>>> Java.

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