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Far-right AfD wins key German state election but may fail to secure majority (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] 6 points 4 days ago (3 children)

...so far

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    In fact, this will likely work in their favor. Since they managed to secure nearly 45% of the vote, if there's a coalition with the CDU becoming the ruling party having gained a mere 17%, it's just going to further discredit the whole system.

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    • [–] 6 points 5 days ago (6 children)

    We're wiping out decades of Eutopean history in one go.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    How so?

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  • [–] -4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    Well, is this not a film we have already seen? Rise of extreme right, race to arms, conversion of the car factories into weapon factories, ...mmm, what next? While we're at a point where more European integration is needing, we are drifting further apart as European nations, and this is making us weaker rather than stronger. We're playing the game of Trump and Putin ...

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Nazi Germany is building weapons factories for Israel as we speak already. The AfD is nothing but the same Nazism there is now except a bit more blatant. Like moving from Genocide Joe to Trump. The illusion of the rule of law has long been shattered let's stop pretending the AfD is going to change that.

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    • [–] 8 points 5 days ago (20 children)

    Do better Germany

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  • [–] 14 points 5 days ago (19 children)

    i'm sure they will. next election, afd will win two states.

    oh, you mean better as in less nazi? i'm afraid that's no longer an option.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago* (18 children)

    Idk, from what I've seen the people in East Germany aren't really Nazis some are, but lots of them have just lost so much faith in electoral politics and the AfD have never been in power so they're just like fuck it, might as well let them try. The AfD was utilizing nostalgia for the DDR.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago (15 children)

    they may not be nazis, but they're not communists either. there are practically no communists in germany now. there's nobody to serve as a counterweight to all the various fascist parties (pro-establishment fascists like the CDU and that other one, anti-establishment-vibes-having fascists like AFD). with the so called respectable mainstream parties also taking their policies and rhetoric from AFD on a ton of issues, there's no chance of anything ever shifting left. they'll keep becoming more and more nazi.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago (14 children)

    I don't know about that, if the AfD can't do anything to improve peoples lives I don't think they'll keep voting for them.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago (13 children)

    none of the parties on offer improve people's lives, yet people vote for them anyway. i dont think that's the purpose of AFD in the grand scheme of things anyway, they're there to push the CDU and SPD even further right and further normalize racism and fascism.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (12 children)

    I don't know if they'll be able to do that though because a large amount of the voters aren't voting for them because they are racist or fascist.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago (11 children)

    that hardly matters once they get elected

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (10 children)

    Well to organize a fascist putsch you do need supporters. So it kind of does matter.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago (9 children)

    they can just get elected, no need for a putsch nowadays

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  • [–] -2 points 5 days ago* (8 children)

    So you're unhappy they got elected but none of the parties do anything? It's exactly that outlook that got the AfD elected. Every single far right voter I've met has that outlook, either they're not voting or they vote for the far right, because no other party does anything anyways.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago (7 children)

    i'm unhappy they got elected, but since the alternatives are also far right parties, i'd be unhappy about those getting elected too. and i'm observing that when so-called mainstream political parties refuse to actually do anything for their people, the people will vote for someone offering something. since there are no communists, the things on offer are a) status quo (people hate this) b) even more unhinged nazi shit

    then there are the people who have lost all hope for anything good coming out of politics, so they just vote for whoever infuriates the "respectable" political class the most.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago (6 children)

    Yeah, I agree but what is an alternative because I haven't seen any radicals offering anything new either.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    there's no strong emerging political movement in europe that'll get us off this death train, i'm afraid. we'll immiserate the european proletariat and cause even more death and destruction abroad, until europe hollows itself out so much that it cant even make guns anymore. or until some saner country stops us, like they did last time.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 days ago* (4 children)

    There is no strong movement anywhere. Environmental collapse is a global problem, I don't see that being approached in any serious manner by any one.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    Westerners forgetting the rest of the world exists

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  • [–] -1 points 4 days ago* (2 children)

    I know the rest of the world exists, I've met world leaders. Nobody is doing enough.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    If you think that nobody is approaching it in a serious manner then you're ignoring a substantial part of the world

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  • [–] -1 points 4 days ago*

    Okay 🙄 I mean you can look up which countries are lowering their co2 emissions the one I'm in actually is but lots and lots of countries aren't because our economies aren't built around ecological science, the numbers are also constantly being fudged to protect oil and gas industries. For every country that lowers their emissions the emissions in other countries go up. Our co2 emissions are still going up. And co2 isn't the only greenhouse gas.

    Call me an ignorant westerner all you want I don't care, as I said I've met the leaders of different countries and they don't seem to think I'm an ignorant westerner.

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    • [–] 1 point 4 days ago

    Everything is extreme right compared the insanity we've been dealing with for the last decade

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    [–] 3 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Hopefully they win a majority. Better that they damage their brand with a majority government in a single state before they win a federal election.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago*

    They'll just blame their failure on the federal government “blocking everything” they do. And if they win that, they'll just blame past governments for “setting them up for failure”. And their idiot voters will believe them all the way until they abolish democracy.

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