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[–] 8 points 3 days ago*

Google really fucked us good with their grasp over the smartphone ecosystem.

Imagine an alternative universe where phones were as open as desktop computers.

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  • [–] 79 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Play Integrity is the biggest Stranglehold Google has on Android, and it fucking sucks that so many (including my company) use it without asking any questions, regardless of bad reviews on the play store by users that use security focused OSes (like Graphene OS)

    I HATE IT!

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  • [–] 81 points 5 days ago (17 children)

    Fuck your Play Integrity. Fortunately I use no app that needs that shit.

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    [–] 12 points 4 days ago

    😮‍💨

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  • [–] 46 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    Whether you install a custom ROM or not:

    Don't use Google.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Correct. Lineage OS only, F-Droid only. Nothing G-related at all whatsoever. No need.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago* (1 child)

    I have a Motorola I probably need to do this to, especially if Google is about to lock down against using F-Droid and stuff.

    What a huge freaking inconvenience. When am I gonna find the time?

    But I'm hoping there's builds for something that will just work and not be like "Oh BTW the camera doesn't work." It seems a lot harder to find alternate ROMs these days if you're not on a Samsung or Pixel.

    It's gotten so complicated too because they keep adding more and more anti-user layers. I like messing with stuff but I don't want to be forced to hack my daily driver! Ugh.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago

    Yeah, that's one thing that kind of killed me. My One+has a great camera, but it's mediocre with the stock camera on LOS. Thankfully open camera and libre camera help. Check them out in Fdroid first which is what I should've done.

    I'm going to see it I can take the APKs for the One+ apps from APKPure and strip the need for Google out of them so they'll work in my phone again. I suck at writing code, but reading and modding I can do better.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Yes of course

    Doesnt LineageOS have a way to block Play integrity entirely? Most apps dont care at all if you say you dont support it at all, rather than telling them the actual value

    GrapheneOS does that

    Check out RestlessOS maybe, though GSI so no kernel or firmware updates

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago

    Yep, I didn't want banking apps anyways, I-I-I'll just use cash I guess haha

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  • [–] 21 points 5 days ago (32 children)

    The only thing that you need play integrity for is banking apps.
    I recommend buying a 50$ smartphone solely for banking and leaving it at home.

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  • [–] 41 points 5 days ago (28 children)

    Maybe a silly question, but can you not do it in a web browser? It's what I've been doing.

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  • [–] 35 points 5 days ago (18 children)

    Different countries have different systems. In Sweden, our "banking app" is not really for doing bank tasks, it's everywhere in society as a 2FA app. Buying a bus ticket, booking a medical appointment, paying bills, logging in to various government and non-government web sites, signing a contract, etc. They all use the banking 2FA app. It's really really difficult to have a normal life without this app.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    As a swede not living in sweden (so I don't have a Swedish bank account) it is literally bureaucracy hell to do anything in sweden for me.

    And I live in France, with its insane bureaucracy.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    And I live in France, with its insane bureaucracy.

    Lol I can relate. My mother lost her passport when we were in France (she is from France), her handbag was stolen. It was a week of going to different places, trying to get them to tell you which paper to use and from where to get it, and then to actually get the paper with the correct information.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago*

    Unfortunately, at least in my country, it's getting harder and harder to do banking through a plain old webbrowser. Apps are being pushed hard and afaik all of them use the Google Lock-In API in their Android app. Alternatively I could switch to iPhone, but having had the displeasure of experiencing their crappy hardware and even worse service I'd rather cut my balls off than ever dealing with Apple again.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    One of the two banks I use forces you to use their app for 2FA. I despise this practice but I'm also way too lazy to close those accounts. Luckily Scotiabank app doesn't use Play Integrity or whatever and works on GrapheneOS. The other bank I just use web browser yep.

    For most other stuff MicroG works. It's still google but at arms length. I use it for Youtube Morphe modded adblock/sponsorblock app and stuff like that.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago

    Many banks nowadays at least try hard to push you to use some kind of app method to verify transactions, in place of other TAN methods. Though my main bank still lets me use an old-fashioned chip-TAN device, not all banks would do that.

    I'm on Graphene OS, and luckily all my other banking apps work on there. I've got them isolated in another user profile, seperated from my daily use apps, so only the banking profile gets Google Play services enabled.

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    [–] 13 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    On Fairphone you can re-lock the bootloader. I installed eOS and my banking apps from G**gle Play work perfectly

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    [–] 8 points 5 days ago

    I wish we could still adjust everything as easily as it once used to be. I just want access to the entire OS. I understand why they limit it. But they should leave an option for users to access it. I bought a Poco (Xiaomi) earlier this year and it absolutely horrible. The quick settings menu and the notification shade are separated and there's no way to have them in one view. It also does this thing where it will wipe anything you don't use for 2 seconds in an effort to conserve energy and memory. But you're constantly restarting apps that way and using more energy while making it slow to use. Not to mention you can't fill in forms while switching between apps. I also don't understand why Google neutered the recents screen ( I know it's been like this for around 10yrs). What's the point of the recents screen if you can't lock anything in it and you can only see four apps in it. And the horizontal not even stacked view is annoying as hell.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago*

    I have no idea whether my phone passes it or not, everything seems to work.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    Wtf is play integrity and should I care if I use CalyxOS?

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