But does the Gigaset?

Hey now, this only goes into effect from late February next year!

Nokia killed themselves. Microsoft was just the wolf that gobbled up the dying lamb.

Aren't Fairphone Dutch?

Fairphone 6 also has USB2.0 sadly. Cost cutting...

In the German FAQ they guarantee feature updates until 2036 and security updates for longer than 2036.They also claim to try to deliver feature updates after 2036.

Also the 8.1 seems to be basically the same as the 8. On the shop page they use both names for the same thing

Ah, sorry. I didn't realize that the English version of the page is bit outdated. There is much more info on the German version. (I added a note to my previous post.)

Yeah, mainly because some people want to sell bluetooth shit that will need replacement more often.

If at least someone could make a dongle that doesn't suck.

Clicks Communicator is gonna be released later this year and it brings back both the headphone jack and physical keyboard! And the company is registered in the UK which is perhaps interesting for this sub.

Nice All-or-Nothing Fallacy. I don't see that kind of bullshit here when we are talking about boycotting the USA which I support.I am pretty my phone was not made by a country having a genocidal state who talk about killing all men, and all women, all infants and even animals as a reason of the state

Depends what you favor in convenience vs privacy & being free to do whatever the fuck you want with hardware you supposedly bought.

Also the common version of Android is an American OS controlled by a company that falls under the Cloud Act jurisdiction, amongst others, so not really trustworthy (even if you're American, much less European).

Does this phone even have an easilly unlockable bootloader?!

German device design, Taiwanese components, German assembly and controlling software layer made by an American Tech giant whose CEO has given support to Donald Trump, is sorta EU made but is not EU controlled, IMHO.

I think that this day and age and given what we all see happen, we should be pushing for at least designed for openness in a made-in-EU a device which is supposedly always with you, loaded with personal info and highly weaved into one's life.