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[–] 160 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Please start with banning crosses as wall decoration in bavarian public authorities

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    [–] 62 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    How about crosses in public institutions? Asking for a (bavarian) friend.

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    [–] 50 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    In Italy I was a member of UAAR (The Union of Rationalist Atheists and Agnostics) and we supported the legal costs of people battling against crucifixes in the workplace, compulsory prayers and even acoustic pollution caused by the church bells. This was in the late '90s to early '00s.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    acoustic pollution caused by the church bells.

    I really, really wish religious people would finally switch to clocks and phone notifications for their niche events like everyone else. Many people also have an odd romantic notion of this noise pollution. Sort of like the idiots who think loud motorbikes or sports cars make them look cool.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago (68 children)

    Sounds fair to me, we need less religion everywhere.

    What I don't get is the right wing pushing this and the left wing being against it, while the hero of the far left said 'Religion is the opium of the masses.'

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (23 children)

    The left is generally against legislating what women are allowed to wear.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (22 children)

    Then wouldn't they be against Islam forcing women to wear the hijab??

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago* (12 children)

    Islam doesn't force women to wear the hijab. There's nothing about it in the Quran.
    It's a cultural thing, and while many women are pressured or even forced to wear it, many others wear it of their own free will.

    The state telling women they can't wear it in their workplace doesn't solve the issue.
    And those women who are forced to wear it are effectively banned from working now, which makes the issue much worse.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I for sure would prefer if women wouldn't be forced to wear it. But lets be realistic: banning it doesn't make things better, only worse. These women won't stop wearing a hijab, they will just stop going outside. And now you made the situation even worse for them.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    A group of iranian college students visited my town in the summer.

    None of the girls used any sort of head cover and at some that came as a topic.

    Even in Iran, as much as they can, every woman goes without it, unless the religious police is somewhere nearby.

    The general, widespread view is that it is a form of repression and nothing else, yet their government/religious authority enforces it.

    Although unpopular and understood as fascist, these decisions in european countries echoe impositions islamic countries make to foreigners.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    An argument I've heard against it is that it's overly harmful against non-western religions, specifically Islam. A pretty common tenet in Islam is some kind of head covering for woman. Banning that is a pretty sweeping reform. Christianity and Catholicism don't have anything like that, and if you really wanted to wear a cross you could just hide a necklace under your shirt. And Judaism, most non -orthodox Jews don't wear a yamaka 24/7. So in the end (typical) white religions aren't affected while minorities are.

    Personally for me I don't care about wearing a religious symbol as long as you're not pushing your agenda. I don't care if my boss has a Bible on his desk any more than if he had a copy of dragon Ball z.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    The right wing is pushing specifically for the banning of things like the hijab or other religious head coverings usually worn by women. They justify it by saying that these head coverings are a symbol of oppression against women, and have no place in a free society.

    Thing is though, how free is a society if it feels it has to dictate what women can and can't wear?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    The problem is that you have to treat religion equally and for a lot of European countries that would mean pushing Christian symbols out of public offices as well. Most Nordic countries, Greece and Malta have crosses on their flags for example. Many countries like Germany have parties, which are explicitly Christian. The Bundeswehr uses the Iron Cross as a symbol, which is in direct heritage from a crusader order.

    The problem for those countries is that baning Islamic symbols is very often just racist rethoric to hit Islam, rather then a proper separation of state and religion.

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    [–] 44 points 2 years ago (123 children)

    Good, fuck religion. The earlier we get rid of that shit, the earlier we can unify as a species.

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    [–] 35 points 2 years ago* (9 children)

    I’m not sure a hijab is a religious symbol. It’s just a covering worn for religious reasons. The hijab doesn’t have a fixed design or pattern that makes it significantly different from what western women wore in the fifties.

    And if you can’t go out in public dressed like Sophia Loren, what even is the point of western civilization?

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago (42 children)

    Good. Religion is like a penis, you don't pull it out in public or at work.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (30 children)

    can they ban you for wearing a necklace with a cross? or a scarf around your head? This is madness, what bad does it do to other people, this is like banning lgbtq people from kissing outside cause it makes others uncomfortable.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    This isn't about banning people from wearing their religious merchandise in public. This is banning religious objects from workplaces. More precisely just public workplaces. Of course a secular state should also have secular workplaces. And the way labour rights are personal life can be completely banned from your workplace. Why would religion be treated differently?

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    [+] 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    In Spain religious symbols in public workplaces, official places and buildings are banned since years. You will see them only in religios buildings and churches, maybe in some old monuments.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    So are headscarves for non-religious women going to be banned too? What about other modest clothing?

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    If I can't judge women by their cover, I'm gonna need them all to get naked.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    How could I tell apart an islamic and an atheist headscarf? My mother often wore one in the 1960s and 70s, as was the fashion back then.

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